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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Throwawayaerlei » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:07 AM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #781

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I don't know anyone who ever had a fire at their home, but I know a few people that were attacked on the street. Anecdotes are just that, anecdotes.

I've never had a fire in my home, but I have been attacked in the street. If I had been armed, I expect it would have gone a lot worse for me than it did. I might not be alive to write this post had I had a gun on me then. As you say, though, just another anecdote.

Your inability to deal with physical violence is not a useful anecdote.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by babesh » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:08 AM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #268

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

I wonder if there is a good history of how the civil rights acts and Vietnam withdrawal actually happened.

For instance, did the war protests really have that much effect or was it because the war was lost?

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Post by OrvalWintermute » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:08 AM UTC

vlovich123 wrote: post #740

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> made possible through the (lack of) gun ownership regulation. The US has plenty of gun ownership regulation. Criminals choose not to follow that though.

Lackadaisical enforcement in the US

Violent gun crimes are felonies with the exception of the victimless I tried to carry my handgun through the airport type of crimes.

Do you have evidence otherwise?

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Post by inter_netuser » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:11 AM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #165

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Still, one of the first signs of a society approaching tyranny is the government cracking down on guns. So if nothing else, it serves as a great canary in the mine.

Australia doesn't seem that tyrannical to me.

Have you not heard of Gladys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLTGXblgUoc

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Post by elil17 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:12 AM UTC

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There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

I too sleep better knowing that while the gun industry is built on a graveyard of dead elementary schoolers, it’s only a few dead elementary schoolers.

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Post by tootie » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:12 AM UTC

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I think the simplest counterpoint is Britain. The US Second Amendment is a direct descendant of the British Common Law right to bear arm. And Britain is arguably our national parent with a similar culture and history and a modern pluralistic culture. They effectively ended their right to private gun ownership in the 20th century to the point that it's now extremely difficult to procure one and there are very few guns…

Did the homicide rate drop occur after the increasing restriction, or was it already low/dropping?

The laws are pretty old so I doubt there's reliable data. Australia has a clearer case. Firearm deaths definitely decreased after a 1996 law that pulled hundreds of thousands of weapons off the street. Rates were already decreasing before the ban but seemed to drop faster after. It wasn't a dramatic change and can't be directly attributed to the law.

I'll say this other thing though. Rates of violence aside, first world democracies that curbed gun ownership typically show better measures of development (for men and women) across the board. There was no slippery slope of lost freedom and government didn't suddenly oppress their unarmed citizens.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/199...

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Post by hasdf » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

Maarten88 wrote: post #340

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PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

> In my experience USA lot less corrupt than most other countries. Lobbying overall is a net good thing for a democratic society. You rightly mention lobbying and corruption together. But somehow you miss that they are on the same continuum. From my EU perspective lobbying in the US is corruption, as the lobbying comes with money and paid-for political promotion. The situation around guns itself is a clear example: a…

you have got it almost completely backwards. :P Automatic weapons are for all intents and purposes banned. Politicians are constantly passing new gun control. It is far easier to pass new gun control laws than it is to remove them. "Common Sense Gun Control Laws" is a term coined by the Democrats that is used to refer to any gun control legislation that they are currently trying to pass. If they pass the law than the next thing they want becomes "Common Sense"

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Post by LookOutItsABot » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:16 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #778

philwelch wrote: post #268

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The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

You are comparing the USA, a developed country, purely to developing countries. I mean, ya, the USA does better than much poorer countries, but can’t compare to any other developed ones. And just because all developed countries don’t have a unified homogenous homicide rate doesn’t really provide any excuse why America does so much more poorly.

I believe the problem with our developed country being compared to other developed countries goes beyond murder rate, wouldn't you agree?

We have less mobility and opportunity between the ranks of our society than some of these other countries.

That lack of equality makes our richest very well off, but our poorest live in literal third world conditions (as Alabama was designated two years ago.)

To be honest I don't see a problem with comparing us to both, but with the consideration that there is an awful lot of variance between the different subsections of our society.

What do you think?

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Post by hcurtiss » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

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If they can shoot the men trying to rape them maybe they won’t have to?

Have you ever tried to pull a gun on someone attacking you? I think most people find it easier to fantasize these 'armed defense' reactions then to actually experience one.

Yes.

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Post by jltsiren » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

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All the countries that have greater gender equality have strict control of firearms. (Sorry for the inconvenient facts down voters) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index

Gun's per capita seems to be very high on that list? Top 3 (all per 100 persons) 1. Switzerland 26.3 2. Norway 28.8 3. Finland 32.4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...

Gun control is pretty strict in Finland. In order to get a permit, you need to show that you need a gun for your hobby or your work and that you can handle it safely. (Self-defense is not considered a valid reason for a permit.) The permit can later be revoked if the original reason is no longer valid. Gun ownership is still quite high, because Finland is a sparsely populated country where hunting has always been popular.