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Yea black people always getting that advantage, you should let more people know. I mean, people just don't understand how hard it is to be white these days with twitter hate and everything. Be the voice! Let me know how it goes.
> Current admissions policies in many universities and schools explicitly give black people an advantage. Are you denying that this is true, or are you simply unaware of it?
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Re: A generation of American men give up on college
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It's called therapy, not blaming other people that don't look like you coming up. And yea, therapy is expensive and usually not covered by medical insurance. So vote.
> not blaming other people that don't look like you coming up What makes you imagine anyone here is blaming people that don’t look like them for something?
Re: A generation of American men give up on college
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> You are making a lot of huge jumps there, incorrectly, If that was true, you’d be able to quote one. > (except for the sarcasm, completely on point) Can you explain what is behind your sarcasm? > and you asked like 5 questions. I did! > Everyone should get support! More support! Everyone. > By focusing on men, The article we are discussion is focussed on men. That is why we are focusing on men. > you are stating it…
Jesus, zepto: A) Thanks for such a detailed response B) Screw you for such a detailed response, my thumbs gonna hurt I write on my phone while watching travel videos on youtube and drinking, quoting is a pain, you deserve a better conversation, but I'll do my best,(thats a lie). Sarcasm is great, its meant to get people riled up, you should try it, makes these comments more entertaining while also exaggerating anothe…
You aren’t exaggerating another’s “end”. You don’t actually know what that is.
You are simply being dishonest in your representation.
> At this point you aren't stating much, just trying interview me or something, so I'll assume all I want.
Lying about another person’s position is just that.
> Disregards that white men have better access to college prep classes, paid more while they go to school, less chance of hardships,
Even if true historically or when you went to college.
This is certainly not true of every white man today..
Whilst it’s certainly true that statistically Black people are less likely to have resources like college prep classes, that is a function of money. There are more poor white people than there are poor black people, even if statistically if you have black skin you are more likely to be poor.
There are also large numbers of rich and middle class black people who live in nice neighborhoods and have all the supports you mention.
That’s why it’s racist to base your discriminatory policies on race rather than actual hardship.
If you want to argue that people who have fewer resources should receive supports that others don’t, I will agree with you.
If you want to argue that being white means you have access to college prep, I think you are delusional.
> I didn't graduate, not the end of the world, still had it easier. And no, not college age, but if you are, I swear life is better when older.
You may have had it easier in your day, but as the article explains things have changed.
> I mean, you are debating heavily to prove that men have it worse, "in terms of" whatever, I can take that another step and just say you are complaining.
> you are debating heavily to prove that men have it worse
The article indicates that they do, at college. I’m not ‘arguing that’, I’m referencing it.
If you are claiming that I’m making a more general claim, then you are just misrepresenting me - I.e. you are intentionally lying about what I am saying.
> Could go further with sarcasm and take if further but you pointed out you are not a fan.
I’m not a fan because you are being at best fooling and at worst dishonest.
> I get your argument,
The evidence is that you don’t.
> but I am pointing out that while you are saying "same" you literally mean men should have access to support that is reserved for different people that have different hardships, in order to try to make the playing field more level.
I’m not arguing that some general “playing field” should be more level.
I am arguing that men are just people, and there is no reason they should receive less support in their education.
> You, (not saying you personally, but in case you go there), can't say we should have the same access to support in college while having much different obstacles in life.
Your position continues to embody racism and sexism
It seems like you are saying that men today should receive a worse educational experience than other people because men in the past like you had more advantages in life.
The problem is that this hurts those men who are less advantaged deliberately on the basis of their sex.
If there are advantages men as a category receive later in life, then those need to be addressed, but it’s reprehensible to use that as a justification for harming people’s educational experience.
Re: A generation of American men give up on college
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> Letting just a few folks define what a gender represents, as if one side or the other does not share those traits. If you think masculinity is arbitrary and that traits are not specific to a gender, then why do you argue that men should be denied the same supports that other people get at college? > And yes I am straight, white, and male, Why are you so angry at white men? > with a nice haircut and could tell you t…
Happy Thursday buddy. The premise of your question doesn't relate to that last part, (masculinity vs men, different things) but I can answer the last part: they do get the same level of support maybe even better, but no, they shouldn't receive specific support reserved for folks with different obstacles. I like white men! Love everyone! I dislike excuses around "poor me"s from folks that lack perspective on how they…
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> Letting just a few folks define what a gender represents, as if one side or the other does not share those traits. If you think masculinity is arbitrary and that traits are not specific to a gender, then why do you argue that men should be denied the same supports that other people get at college? > And yes I am straight, white, and male, Why are you so angry at white men? > with a nice haircut and could tell you t…
Happy Thursday buddy. The premise of your question doesn't relate to that last part, (masculinity vs men, different things) but I can answer the last part: they do get the same level of support maybe even better, but no, they shouldn't receive specific support reserved for folks with different obstacles. I like white men! Love everyone! I dislike excuses around "poor me"s from folks that lack perspective on how they…
This is clearly false. White men are not a unitary group. Large numbers of them are deeply underprivileged.
Denying underprivileged people support because of their race is racist. This still happens to black people too and that is also racism.
Adding more racism is not a way to end racism.
> they shouldn't receive specific support reserved for folks with different obstacles.
What about the men who have obstacles? Should they not receive support for the obstacles they do have?
> I dislike excuses around "poor me"s from folks that lack perspective on how they have it better,
Where is anyone here making such excuses? I think that is in your imagination.
> And not all white dudes feel sorry for themselves and blame "society", or college, or women, or other skin colors, or etc...
Where is anyone talking about white dudes feeling sorry for themselves or blaming women or other skin colors except you?
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> not blaming other people that don't look like you coming up What makes you imagine anyone here is blaming people that don’t look like them for something?
all the men on here complaining they aren't getting support while others are, definitely aren't blaming anyone, you're right, I took that too far. Seeing a lot of men write how they are super stoked women are finally getting some small advantages in academia.
Where are these complaining men? I see people critiquing policies. I think you are making up in your head that there are men on here complaining about their situation.
> definitely aren't blaming anyone, you're right, I took that too far.
Your sarcasm is causing you to dishonestly represent what others are saying.
> Seeing a lot of men write how they are super stoked women are finally getting some small advantages in academia.
They aren’t getting a small advantage. The advantage is huge across the entire educational spectrum now.
Nobody should be celebrating that any more than we should have been celebrating men having an advantage in the past.
The goal is for our systems to support everyone. Not to punish present day people based on arbitrary characteristics they share with people in the past.
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> Current admissions policies in many universities and schools explicitly give black people an advantage. Are you denying that this is true, or are you simply unaware of it?
Why do you think a college would have an "advantage" for someone black that would not be available to someone white? Is it possible, hear me out, that maybe white people are still at a massive advantage getting to college and that colleges are trying to equalize the playing field?
I was simply responding to your sarcastic denial that black people have an advantage in college admissions.
Your sarcasm made you appear intellectually dishonest. Now at least we know you are not denying that preferential admissions take place.
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As a professor, create your own PDF and give it to all the students free, update it if there's a new development in the field, which is something you'd know as a professor. It is really not that hard, these professors often write or collaborate on the textbooks themselves so they're writing them anyway. If the textbook is needed for learning and not just a way to get some extra money then this would be standard pract…
What's the longest text you've ever written that you can judge 'it's not that hard' to write a 500p standard textbook? As a corollary, only very few professors actually have their own textbook and thus don't make any money whatsoever from choosing a specific textbook. Finally, why would you deny someone money for work they did, typically in their spare time? Who else do you think should give away their work for free?…
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Happy Thursday buddy. The premise of your question doesn't relate to that last part, (masculinity vs men, different things) but I can answer the last part: they do get the same level of support maybe even better, but no, they shouldn't receive specific support reserved for folks with different obstacles. I like white men! Love everyone! I dislike excuses around "poor me"s from folks that lack perspective on how they…
> they do get the same level of support maybe even better This is clearly false. White men are not a unitary group. Large numbers of them are deeply underprivileged. Denying underprivileged people support because of their race is racist. This still happens to black people too and that is also racism. Adding more racism is not a way to end racism. > they shouldn't receive specific support reserved for folks with diffe…
See it's better when you share your opinion, that way it's easier to see what you are thinking. You are getting mad at me for all these assumptions, but I was right, you really think white people are underprivileged, "it's unfair", and you call me reprehensible. This is where I'd hope you'd be sarcastic.
It's been fun zepto, i thought threads could keep going, but they can't. Here is what you are going to do, you are going to keep looking up statistics why is harder to be white. You'll keep complaining how the white man doesn't get his fair share. And that denying white people even more privilege is the real racism. You are the "poor me", and life is going to be incredibly challenging for you but you'll probably find support in some white guys group where they can "stay proud" and stand up for the white man. Just take care of yourself and don't hurt anybody.
Still never answered the question, thats just cruel, I was really hoping I'd get that answered.
Re: A generation of American men give up on college
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all the men on here complaining they aren't getting support while others are, definitely aren't blaming anyone, you're right, I took that too far. Seeing a lot of men write how they are super stoked women are finally getting some small advantages in academia.
> all the men on here complaining they aren't getting support while others are, Where are these complaining men? I see people critiquing policies. I think you are making up in your head that there are men on here complaining about their situation. > definitely aren't blaming anyone, you're right, I took that too far. Your sarcasm is causing you to dishonestly represent what others are saying. > Seeing a lot of men wr…
You are complaining, right now, about how now women get a situational advantage. And we shouldn't celebrate that they are better represented in academia! No mas zepto, at this point you just need to get out in the world and see what life is like for others, quit worrying about how underprivileged you are.