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Or a pretty good reason to click "I WILL WAIT"
"FOR NINE MONTHS"
I think you're also not supposed to take it while breastfeeding. So it could be 9 months plus a year or more.
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You should be adding up the probability of complications to all your loved ones that you unknowingly spread it to should you get infected, too. (The same reason I usually get a flu shot: it's not that I can't withstand the flu, it's that there are those around me who might not withstand it. I don't want to be responsible for having passed that on to someone.)
It's nice to believe this, but having a flu jab is only proven to protect yourself. It's not sterilising immunity so you can still become infected, shed virus, and infect others while asymptomatic. It's quite dangerous if a lot people don't get that the covid vaccines also aren't proved (and are unlikely) to contain transmission. Risk is folks think that we will not longer need to care about hygiene, masks, isolation…
> It's nice to believe this, but having a flu jab is only proven to protect yourself. It's not sterilising immunity so you can still become infected, shed virus, and infect others while asymptomatic.
This directly contradicts the CDC:
> Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, including those who are more vulnerable to serious flu illness, like babies and young children, older people, and people with certain chronic health conditions.
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#804mRNA vaccines are fantastically specific in their biochemical action because of how they were designed for use as treatment for specific instances of cancer and this and their significant history of testing gives me high confidence in their safety and effectiveness.
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#805Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should be adding up the probability of complications to all your loved ones that you unknowingly spread it to should you get infected, too. (The same reason I usually get a flu shot: it's not that I can't withstand the flu, it's that there are those around me who might not withstand it. I don't want to be responsible for having passed that on to someone.)
I'm not telling anyone I had the vaccine when I didn't. They're free to avoid me if they want. Many things we selfishly do endanger others. Ever driven a car? But honestly, in my gut, I don't feel like I'm endangering people. I'm doing the thing that I think will most likely make me healthy, and that will most likely result in best outcomes for others, too. I may have some bias here because the only 2 times I've gott…
> Many things we selfishly do endanger others. Ever driven a car?
Yes, and I take various precautions when doing so to reduce the risk to those around me. But, driving a car gets me from point A to B. There's a trade-off. Near as I can tell from the available data from studies on the new vaccines, the risk and consequences of getting COVID outweigh the risks and consequences of getting the vaccine, perhaps by several orders of magnitude.
The number of both cases & deaths have reached nation-wide highs, and basically all states are seeing upticks in prevalence, likely to be made worse by Christmas. The tests on the vaccines have shown it to be effective, and have had minimal side-effects (I've heard some reports of non-life-threatening allergic reaction, and 1 more serious case that is being investigated. There were 43,000 people in the Pfizer study alone, I think. That is significantly better than the confirmed COVID-19 case rate. https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/09/covid-19-vaccine-from-pf...)
> I may have some bias here because the only 2 times I've gotten the flu as an adult are the two times I got the the flu shot, like you're supposed to do. So maybe that's just coincidence, but my operating theory now is, no more flu shots until I get the flu again. If I do, then I'll reconsider.
It's just coincidence:
> studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine.
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Or (d) I will wait to see if Corona mutates so much over the next year that the vaccine is a yearly process. Edit: I feel like some people didn’t notice the mink culling in Denmark which was caused by fears that version of the virus would make the vaccines useless.
Even if there was another strain, why would it make the current vaccine useless when the current strain still exists?
So if the strains change every year because the virus mutates so much then the current strain wouldn't be so common. It's basically what happens with the flu. Also a new strain can be more infectious, which I believe was the case with the mink strain.
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#808There is more than one vaccine. I will probably take a particular vaccine if I am convinced it is safe and if it's mandatory or something I see almost everyone else doing.
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I’m in the same boat. I had it and it was super mild so I already... - have very likely immunity or at least a much better response the next time - despite having been exposed to it the first time having had super mild symptoms so I don’t need protection from a non threat - coronaviruses mutate a lot slower and people who had sars-cov-1 still had a t-cell immunity even 10 years after their infection and there is litt…
> it was super mild It might be that weaker cases give less immunity. If you were exposed to smaller amounts of the virus in the first case.
But I was exposed to a really high dose as my wife had picked up COVID at work and I was caring for her, even sleeping with my face right in front of her face all night probably getting exposed to a shipload of virus with every single breath.
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Comparable, I don't know. But during the swine flue influenza, the Swedish government rolled out a large vaccination campaign, encouraging everyone to get vaccinated. Unfortunately, it turned out that children in a certain age could get chronic narcolepsy from the vaccine Pandemrix. About 230 children have been reported suspected to get this side effect from the vaccine.
Oh wow I see, thanks for the pointer! Looking it up now, it seems the increased risk was 1 in 18400, or 0.005%. [1] So I guess it was rare enough that it could easily not have shown up during trials either. One key point in my question that I'm stuck on, though, if you happen to know the answer: how long did the effects take to become apparent in those children? Were they immediate or did they show up long after vacc…
I don't know but from what I recall at the time, it became news after most people were already vaccinated. It was long enough that it was too late to act on it in a real sense.