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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by virtualritz »

areoform wrote: post #533
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Huawei Matebook X Pro. A friend has one, 2019 model. Runs Ubuntu on it.

Trackpad is as good as it gets outside Apple, I'd say.

The display looks gorgeous. Can't say about color accuracy/fidelity though.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by e_proxus »

thrwwy90876 wrote: post #315
Lammy wrote: post #33

Maybe it's just me but the idea that my computer lets Apple (+ any LE organizations) surveil my app launches seems so much scarier than any malware.

If you haven't downloaded your data from Apple recently I suggest doing that. The amount of personal info they collect has exploded over the last couple years. Their Services business is moving them into Google levels of data collection.

For anyone who wants to do this, you can do it here (at least if you are in the EU): http://privacy.apple.com/

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by knolan »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

If I do any simple math calculation in Spotlight it pegs all cores at 100%. Its easily reproducible and really annoying because I've used spotlight as a calculator for years.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pgt »

jmnicolas wrote: post #715
tomjen3 wrote: post #671

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What did you move your phone to, when you degoogled your life? Apple iphones seems even worse than Android, honestly.

I use GrapheneOS. It's rough, but as I said somewhere else, for the first time my phone isn't my enemy. I would have bought a Linux phone, but seeing that a few months ago they had trouble making calls on a Librem 5, I chose not to take the risk.

Thanks, I will look into GrapheneOS.

I wish there was a phone ecosystem I could invest in that ran Clojure near the metal. Some kind of Lisp machine would be awesome and make it more palatable to endure missing libraries and apps.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by vhanda »

blauditore wrote: post #772

So many comments in here, but I haven't seen a single one mentioning a simple solution: Vote with your feet. For years now, I've seen a large portion of the HN crowd praising Apple for its (alleged) respect of privacy and cursing at Microsoft for Windows "calling home" all the time. Now that this has happened, the only comments I see are "heads should roll", and "we must complain and be heard by high-level execs", bu…

It's isn't so easy. There is often a large cost of moving. Eg - I use `sketch` for designing. I can move to Figma, but it'll be a learning curve and the performance just isn't the same.

Additionally, in order to move to Linux I need to find a good alternative to many other software that I'm using. Most commercial software only target Windows or OSX.

For the record, I've written large parts of KDE, so I'm acutely familiar with running Linux as a Desktop Environment.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pgt »

mav3rick wrote: post #699
ls65536 wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. The other thing that really can't be discounted here is that a lot of the HN crowd are likely the default go-to people in their circle of family and friends for this sort of stuff, and in many cases they may also have major purchasing influence and technical decision making power in their respective businesses. Turning off one of them may be inconsequ…

God the self importance of this community. The world can live without the 1000 people here.

Who is more important than the customer? You and I - we are the market.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by robotfelix »

eslaught wrote: post #562
cdubzzz wrote: post #131

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I experienced the issue with Mojave while this was happening. So not just Catalina.

Ok, but this doesn't answer the question. If this is the same behavior since Mojave, why aren't those users complaining about this outage on their Mojave and Catalina based system? Presumably something changed, but so far I haven't heard an explanation that makes sense of it.

According to statcounter.com [1] there are over 4x as many Catalina users as there are Mojave users (62% vs 14% of MacOS users), so I think it's just that the people complaining about Catalina are louder.

Anecdotally, I'm using Mojave and experienced this issue, a person I was trying to have a Zoom call with was experiencing the same issue on their Mojave.

I think there are enough comments scattered across Hacker News to safely conclude that it affected Mojave too - although it's possible the timeout behaviour / error handling is different to Catalina.

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/macos-version-market-share/deskto...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by lavp »

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

> The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future.

I really don’t think the HN community is at all representative of what the masses think about. Just like in any online community, it is easy to think that the thoughts of that community somewhat resemble that of most people when that simply isn’t true. HN’s base consists highly of developers who are up to date with most things in the technology industry.

The rest of the world doesn’t really care enough to compromise the comfort and reliability of Google’s suite, which lets be honest, outperforms its competition by a size-able margin, and does so with a “free” price tag.

People on HN have talked about de-googling for years and I have yet to see someone outside of the computer development scene do it (or even talk about it for that manner).

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pgt »

blub wrote: post #709
mav3rick wrote: post #699

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God the self importance of this community. The world can live without the 1000 people here.

Corps like Google or Apple are so big that the amount of HN customers and their friends/relatives are a drop in the ocean. This is just a PR mess for them, that's all. They mop it up and move on.

You and I - we are the market. How do you know how many drops there are if you don't speak up?

Relative to my community in South Africa, I have spent more money on Apple products than anyone I know. And here I am saying that if these privacy issues are not resolved, I am willing to vote with my wallet as soon as I can find an alternative.

I only mention that I've de-Googled my life so that those who doubt my intent will know it's not an idle threat. These things take time to change, but they can and do change if you make your voice as a customer heard.

When you want to enact change at a Big Co:

1.) Communicate why you are forced into a buying position and ideally how to resolve it.

2.) Be willing to walk away, or you can't negotiate.

3.) Actively seek alternatives.

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