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Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by perlbeatdong »

ekianjo wrote: post #766
johnwalkr wrote: post #543

Wow with these comments. You going to the gym is not saving the economy. Yes, we can't shut everything down but you'd think the article was about shutting down grocery stores or the stock market. And by not doing your part, your whole community could be stunted for 2 years. Also congratulations for not caring about a 1 in 200 chance of death (pretty high by the way) because you're healthy and passing on the risk to s…

> Also congratulations for not caring about a 1 in 200 chance of death (pretty high by the way) because you're healthy and passing on the risk to some vulnerable person (probably your parents or a school teacher) with a 1 in 10 chance of death Where do you get these numbers from?

he assumed you are 70, and the parents and teachers are 85, in order to spread misinformation and propaganda, to fit a political agenda.

his comment was then upvoted to the top. he is off by a factor of over 100. when i stated that, the real information was removed by the moderator. that should tell you something about the people here. this site is the news channel of a vc firm.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by kerabatsos »

johnwalkr wrote: post #543

Wow with these comments. You going to the gym is not saving the economy. Yes, we can't shut everything down but you'd think the article was about shutting down grocery stores or the stock market. And by not doing your part, your whole community could be stunted for 2 years. Also congratulations for not caring about a 1 in 200 chance of death (pretty high by the way) because you're healthy and passing on the risk to s…

Americans have always been and will always be a “me first” populace.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by sethammons »

komali2 wrote: post #104
ls612 wrote: post #94

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This same argument can be made about any infectious disease season. The only difference is a matter of degree. This virus is probably ~5 times as bad as the flu so we should spend ~5 times as much to mitigate the externalities. Not ~500 times as much like we have. I fear that after this every time there's a bad flu season we will see this same shit again because "think of the most vulnerable among us, you're literall…

Are you only comparing death rates? My coworker has been told he may never taste or smell again as he "recovers" from covid. There's evidence that COVID survivors might have long term heart conditions https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas... Think of the most vulnerable among us. You are killing them.

Missing persons in my state are up 22%. Reports of domestic violence are down (but very likely still happening). People are missing health screenings.

Lockdowns are killing the most vulnerable among us. We need to take them into account too.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by ItsAlwaysMe »

polote wrote: post #278
readingnews wrote: post #211

There is a crossfit gym that I pass by every morning on the way to work. It is full, and never stopped during this pandemic. Even at 7AM, it is full of patrons. I would call the "proper authorities", but since there is a State Police car parked outside every morning, and he is in there working out, just like before the pandemic, I doubt calling anyone would do anything. Adding to the post, I read it earlier... it is…

> I find it amazing we can not see short term sacrifice for long term gain. Maybe because nobody successfully proved to these people (me included) that this sacrifice is useful. You can't tell to people, you have no risk of dying (0.5% death rate for population, much much lower for healthy and young people), people who are at risk of dying can protect themselves even around sick people (wearing a mask, staying at hom…

>nobody successfully proved to these people (me included) >sacrificing is the worst solution for everyone >this is not your fault if they [high risk people] catch it >we stop everything for the rest of our lives

This is nothing more than a tantrum. Nobody can "prove" it. Humanity is still learning about COVID-19. No model is going to predict the outcome of closing the economy. It has not been done in modern times at this scale.

>0.5% death rate for population

Google is showing the death rate at ~3% worldwide. 6 times higher than your nonsense 0.5% water-level figure.

You're commenting later down the chain that you wish to frolic at the beach. The fact is, you're sick of inconvenience and will stomp your feet until someone hears how sick of it you are. Go cry elsewhere.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

perardi wrote: post #652
52-6F-62 wrote: post #127

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> Gyms could lease out their equipment right now and make a killing. Many have done just that here in Toronto. The equipment went very fast, though.

I sought out adjustable dumbbells for a month. Ridiculous prices on Kijiji, and full of scams. Thankfully I eventually found a place out in Brampton that was welding their own, for relatively reasonable prices. (And thankfully my gym is now open. Until we get a second wave and it shuts down again.)

Damn. Making weights would have been good business!

I have some resistance bands and used to use my buildings gym but they made the process very convoluted since reopening. And with max time limits of 30 minutes each and only 10 visits a month.

That said I was very sick recently and lost a lot of muscle mass and weight so I’m barely getting back to exercising now anyway.

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Post by majormajor »

eanzenberg wrote: post #723
WD-42 wrote: post #710

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That’s still whole numbers for anyone over 60, and significant numbers still for anyone below it. Have you ever seriously contemplated death? If you have, those numbers don’t seem very good, not at all. Not to mention these are stats for DEATH. Meaning these are the worst case scenario. Dead. The chances of getting seriously ill, like major suffering, are much higher. Would you want to experience that? Would you wish…

I guess you’re really careful about the flu and driving, and wear a helmet when crossing the street too? How about, if you’re worried, stay home, stay in. If you’re not worried, go out. Let’s not impinge on freedoms of any groups. Not just little freedoms. Pretty basic ones like, freedoms of assembly.

For the vulnerable people, in some ways it would be better if everyone else went on as normal. Let the virus burn through the population as fast as possible, then you can go out again!

But there's a few big problems here:

a) As we've seen, some of the most vulnerable people are in situations where "staying in" without letting the virus in is very difficult. This will be worse the more widespread in the wider community?

b) Even if the vulnerable can perfectly protect themselves, this assumes a very selfish calculus of unconcern for everyone else. If your hospitals fall past the tipping point in a "get it over with ASAP" yolo policy, people not only die faster than in a world where there's never a vaccine or effictive treatment, more of them die too due to reduced ability to treat.

c) Who's gonna pay for all the non-wealthy vulnerable people to stay home? Especially in cases where they need to be more isolated, such as those with healthy roommates who will be acting normally, so they need to relocate too? I haven't seen anyone proposing answers to this in the states like TX or GA.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by [deleted] »

polote wrote: post #685
svnpenn wrote: post #654

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Europe has twice the population of the United States. Yet despite this, United States has 4 TIMES the cases per day. Europe can relax because they worked hard in the beginning to get everything under control. The US never did that, most states (like my home state of Texas) did a half-assed closing for 3 weeks, so the numbers never really got under control.

> Yet despite this, United States has 4 TIMES the cases per day. You can't compare cases

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Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by p1necone »

notassigned wrote: post #787
p1necone wrote: post #779

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They've done significantly worse than other countries in the same region of the world that did have lockdowns. What do you think you're accomplishing by posting easily debunked misinformation?

>What do you think you're accomplishing by posting easily debunked misinformation? The data on Sweden is clear, they are down to near zero covid deaths per day in a country of over 10 million people. Can't see how that can be debunked. And how are they significantly worse? They are living normal lives. Also, if something is 'easily debunked' then just do it.

Sweden has had many more deaths than neighboring countries. The death rate slowing now is not going to bring those people back to life.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Sort by deaths/million - Sweden is even higher than the USA.

I'm not going to reply to you any more, don't think you've won just because you gish gallop on to another falsehood in your reply.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by ItsAlwaysMe »

polote wrote: post #618
michaelmrose wrote: post #579

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If people like you wont wear a mask or social distance and the portion that are asymptomatic pass it around you will help it spread far and wide maximizing the chances that even careful people will become ill eventually. Wearing a mask is mostly about keeping the respiratory droplets of the ill, including the 40-50% which don't have obvious symptoms from spreading around. If only the vulnerable wear masks they wont b…

I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to sacrifice a lot of my freedom to prevent unhealthy or old people to die. You could tell me that I'm wrong, but as far as I know, I'm the only one able to know how I want to live my life

What about their freedoms? You're a spoiled brat. Me, me, me, me, me! All about me!

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaygh wrote: post #156
dx87 wrote: post #109

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> Now we have a lot of governors issuing decrees based on emergency authorities that they’ve been using for six months. This is quite simply a conflict with our basic notion of democracy. We do not have rulers, yet our governors are issuing rules purportedly carrying the weight of law with no oversight from legislature. That was my biggest issue with the whole situation in the USA. All of these emergency measures wer…

> doesn't like giving up control after whatever "emergency" situation happens I genuinely don't understand this fear re: COVID. Why would governors want keep gyms and restaurants closed post-COVID? What do mayors gain by forcing people to wear masks post-COVID? It's in the government's interest, as an institution, to open things up ASAP. They're hemorrhaging money. The things I'd actually worry about -- using COVID t…

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