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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by yellowapple »

ceejayoz wrote: post #643
e2021 wrote: post #463

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It also comes from the Absurdly laudatory praise that WHO was giving China in January about how they were setting standards for transparency and how their quick behavior had saved the world.

They were hardly unique in that. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12208181153549230... > China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi! Jan 24!

Just because they weren't unique doesn't mean they weren't wrong.

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Post by golergka »

baddox wrote: post #799
stcredzero wrote: post #270

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I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

How are police, judges, jurors, etc. exempt from this narrative? Or do you believe that the entire legal system simply should not exist at all, given that it clearly needs to determine the truth value of important statements?

It should always kept as small as humanly possible. Same with other government structures, too.

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Post by baddox »

golergka wrote: post #803
baddox wrote: post #799

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are police, judges, jurors, etc. exempt from this narrative? Or do you believe that the entire legal system simply should not exist at all, given that it clearly needs to determine the truth value of important statements?

It should always kept as small as humanly possible. Same with other government structures, too.

So, people who are tasked with determining truths like whether someone committed murder is okay, but it’s not okay to determine whether an online advertisement about a medical treatment is medically accurate?

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Post by michaelt »

golergka wrote: post #803
baddox wrote: post #799

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are police, judges, jurors, etc. exempt from this narrative? Or do you believe that the entire legal system simply should not exist at all, given that it clearly needs to determine the truth value of important statements?

It should always kept as small as humanly possible. Same with other government structures, too.

Who do these "judges" think they are, with their absurd, arbitrary, oppressive fantasies that "murder" exists and is "illegal"?

If only our judges would get with the program and acknowledge facts don't exist, and there's no such thing as wrong or right, true of false :)

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Post by yellowapple »

kauffj wrote: post #190

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Just created an account, and have started syncing my YouTube uploads to it (it ain't much, but whatever). I ain't entirely sold on the whole blockchain aspect, but hey, worth trying, right?

One question, though: I started off at https://lbry.com/youtube and started the sync process with a channel name, and then created an account with a different starting channel name; will both channels get correctly tied to my account? They're currently set to the same email address.

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Post by fsh »

yellowapple wrote: post #798
trott wrote: post #778

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> From the article it should be clear that the observers were there to learn from their Chinese colleagues, not to conduct independent research on human-to-human transmission. The Taiwanese experts saw clusters of disease, such as a wife who got sick a few days after her husband, but did not visit the wet market personally. This was an indication of human-to-human transmission. Not quite the "unconfirmed rumors from…

EDIT: disregard, I got the dates mixed up. Original included below for transparency's sake. ---- And particularly-damningly, the WHO then turned around and claimed on 14 January¹ that there was "no evidence" of human-to-human transmission even though said evidence was right there in front of them. ---- ¹: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUN7LIXUMAY_2DI.jpg

WHO never claimed this, they (correctly) cited what Chinese authorities were saying. Here is the full text of the tweet for people that don't like reading images of text:

> Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.

Also note that the WHO field visit to Wuhan took place a week later, on 20-21 January. In their mission summary from 22 January they wrote [1]:

> Data collected through detailed epidemiological investigation and through the deployment of the new test kit nationally suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan. More analysis of the epidemiological data is needed to understand the full extent of human-to-human transmission. WHO stands ready to provide support to China to conduct further detailed analysis.

[1] https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit...

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Post by bjoli »

specialist wrote: post #656
0xy wrote: post #558

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Nothing emboldens racists like pointing to government oppression of their ideas. The KKK has free reign in the USA and they've experienced plummeting membership. Nothing kills bad ideas like sunlight and scrutiny, you don't need to ban it and make them martyrs.

You're saying that racism and white supremacy is declining?

In my home country Sweden, I used to think that the rise of the "sweden democrats" (a right wing populist party) was a sign of growing support for their views. I have recently reconsidered that view. I think what we see today are things that never went away. I may be alone in this, by I regard the right wing populism as a democratisation of society. Not because I like the views voiced by the people representing that part of the spectrum, but because it introduces a large part of the population to the public debate.

I think that we, in 30 years, will look back at the rise of right wing populism as a symptom of a positive development. The populist parties do get a lot of votes, and if anything I believe that is a sign that the voters have not felt represented by the power. Which, in turn, I also believe is why the populist party supporters are so loud. If I actually believed that the government did not represent the people, I would be loud as well.

When the "anti establishment" has become the establishment I think the democratic process will end up being stronger with a discussion climate that better represents the population.

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Post by tpetry »

logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

The idea is not to stop you from spreading the information that you should wear q mask everywhere. They want you to stop spreading dangerous false information like the idea of injecting hand sanitiser to your lungs, oh, wait...

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Post by losttheplot »

manigandham wrote: post #573
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #514

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This is how all news media operated before the internet created mouthpieces for non-professionals. In addition to suppressing some inconvenient truths they filtered out crackpot ideas that have become a plague in modern times.

What exactly qualifies someone to be a "professional" who is allowed to speak? The vast majority of content I watch on Youtube is produced by independent creators covering a variety of topics with much more detail, expertise, and truth than any mainstream program.

This statement is exactly the bollocks that got us here. Just because you have a social media account, or fucking "likes", does not qualify you to speak about pandemics, or vaccinations, or gravity, etc.
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