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Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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I mean this in the nicest way possible (I envy your optimism!), but I'm curious how long you've been working as the last 12 years have been an exceptionally good period in tech. My career started in the middle of the dot-com era in the late 90s, so I've been through a few cycles where finding engineering work was hard and people who had crappy jobs were grateful for the income. Those experiences dulled my optimism ab…

I was still in school during the big crash, so you’re right, my experience may be colored by that. But I keep a pad that essentially allows me to be completely without income for at least 6 months without withdrawing from any accounts which incur penalties or are tied to stock market performance. I’ve done freelancing and could spin that back up. It would be harder to land contracts during a rough economy but often p…

It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of who you are and what you want, so I doubt you would have a problem finding meaning in your life even if you hated your job. You're probably not destined for a mid-life crisis like this, and it's not universal by any means.

But there are a lot of folks like OP who were focused hard on getting a job at Google and making boatloads of money and never took the time to figure out what they wanted in life besides a high paying job. For people in that position, I would say keep the unfulfilling job, let it be unfulfilling until you know what drives you, and figure out what you want in life. Then you'll be in a position to decide whether to seek meaning at work or not. I personally chose to find it outside of work, which has made the career bumps a lot easier to handle because my identity isn't wrapped up in my job.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Hi there, I did the exact same thing as you (at Google Sydney), before eventually deciding that I must strike out into the wilderness. In the few years since I left; I worked as a solutions architect managing a team, a team lead, a remote dev, and now in a startup. Front-end, back-end, flip-side, all the ends. So I've been deliberately trying different angles of my career to see what suits. I'd describe this process…

> make the most of it by progressing deliberately in your social life Ironically the Bay Area is among the worst places on Earth for improving your social life if you're straight and male. I noticed that you don't live in the Bay Area, you're married, you probably meant a much broader meaning of "social life", so your experiences are likely very different. But the typical clean cut, well-spoken, hard working, respect…

Or maybe changing your own notion of being a "magnet for women" because you have a job might improve your social life, just saying

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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I'm staggered by the mysogyny in this thread. A good relationship isn't based on how attractive you are, how much money you make or whether you behave arrogant or not. This implies that women are helpless, will-less creatures that just flock to the peacock with the biggest feathers. A good relationship is based on mutual respect and love. If you think that your paycheck is a factor in finding a woman I have news for…

FWIW most of the comments are debating the ratio of working to slacking and salaries across geographical regions, not gender differences.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Just out of curiosity, why do you say "Assuming Trump is re-elected, my portfolio should hit the $1,000,000 mark within two years."? Do you believe the stock market will get bad if he doesn't win the election? or is it the other way, i.e. if the does get re-elected, the market will be better so it will take you less than 2 years to reach your goal? I've never heard this take before so I'm genuinely curious.

Apolitical answer: Markets prefer political stability. Average annual S&P 500 returns are around ~7% adjusted for inflation, but ~12% when a President is in his second term. Political answer: A Trump loss would be presumably be to one of the self-avowed socialists running which would certainly crash the markets. Furthermore, even without a market crash, a socialist implementing mark-to-market capital gains taxation w…

I see. Interesting what you say about returns during second terms. I'll need to read more on that.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Your current behaviour should mark you for fast track promotion. https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Forming and subscribing to a world view based on a TV series script does not strike me as a good idea.

probably not, but I recommend checking out the whole article series. it's a fun read, if nothing else.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Most tech workers in the US aren't at Google or making Silicon Valley wages. HN's description of what it's like to work in tech sounds likes a fantasy world to me. Yes I make more than a European at $100k living in the US midwest... but I have to work hard every single day, in an open office, with my boss sitting in a desk right behind me. Most jobs are still a grind. This guy is probably a high-performer who wonders…

>everyone else is so incompetent because he doesn't try and still looks good I'd argue against the "talent lottery" idea. Over the last 10 years as a software dev I'd argue that the 10x "rockstar" dev certainly exists, but it's almost always a case of situation/environment matching an already-moderately-talented employee extremely well. I've seen a lot of slackers suddenly explode into a powerhouse when given the rig…

> I've seen a lot of slackers suddenly explode into a powerhouse when given the right conditions

They must have had a powerhouse manager

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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What do you personally do to be interesting?

I personally moved to locations that don't have 50%+ more single men than women. That seemed to have made me a lot more, uhm, "interesting".

You could literally be the only man in town, if you're not the kind of person other people want to date, they'd rather be single.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Move to South East Asia instead. Burgeoning tech scene, some incredible nature, dating is considerably easier, both with locals and other expats, health care is first-rate and a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper ... "a rural state" sounds like all the worst bits of living in the US.

>Move to South East Asia instead. No thanks, I prefer to live in a free country. >"a rural state" sounds like all the worst bits of living in the US. I don't have the level of contempt for my fellow Americans that you have

Ah so because someone else like a non-American place, he is having contempt for his fellow Americans? That's so polarising and typically what gives Americans such a bad name abroad.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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> in Europe devs are slaving away through SCRUM powered meat grinders burning themselves out for a 3% salary increase on a pitiful 40-80k/year There is so much wrong in this sentence. First, there is no more “meat grinders” in the US than in Europe. I worked at Microsoft and Criteo in Europe, and the slacking there seems to be on par with what OP describes. You mention 40/80k per year being pitiful? This kind of remu…

> Your 80k€ gross in e.g. France should be the equivalent of $150k for a US worker I hear this a lot, but if you're earning $150K in the US, you almost certainly have 100% medical coverage. At least, I do, and everyone I know does. The US medical system is broken, but it's OK for high-income earners. It's the low-to-middle income folks who are really hurt by it. > retirement savings Again, if you're earning $150K in…

> I hear this a lot, but if you're earning $150K in the US, you almost certainly have 100% medical coverage.

I'm not sure how true this is anymore. I made a bit more than this at Microsoft, and my medical benefits were "100% covered" by Microsoft. But that still amounts to thousands of dollars in deductibles and copays per year out of pocket.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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The taxes are also much higher in Europe, especially on those compliant "upper middle class" techies we're talking about here. For anyone with basic understanding of arithmetics it's not even a question that EU techies are woefully underpaid, which is why all the good ones work in the US or for EU subsidiaries of US companies which actually respect the engineers.

In the UK, someone on £80k ($105k) will pay £25k ($33k) in tax. That includes healthcare In the US, someone on that amount in Denver will pay $29k in tax. That's not an extraordinary difference, even before you factor in health care costs.

It's an extraordinary difference when you look at what proportion of engineers (outside of London/Finance) earn £80k in the UK vs $105k in Denver.
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