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Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Touchscreen are so common because they're cheaper. They also look great when you're buying the car, and using the screen while parked in the store. It's simply not optimised for usability but for attractiveness (both cost and aesthetic wise)

Same as the glossy monitors that look nice in the store but ruin your eyes and productivity.

I hate glossy monitors with a fiery passion and don't understand why anybody thinks glossy is a feature and not a bug.

I suppose having smooth glass can make the screen look slightly more crisp, but having a bright reflection of everything in the room erases any gains in clarity.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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nope! touch sscreen UI has safety implications inside a motor vehicle. pocket computer's usage scope is way broader than inside a car, and you REQUIRE the infinite UI possibility provided by a pure touch interface

Still a massive limitation to be expected to use the device eyes on and high attention. I get that this is the trend but it's still not a good qualitative point.

in the context of an automotive interface, I agree with you touch UI is not the best.

I was responding to general purpose computing (smartphone) that the OP was referring to.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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> But if you want for example turn on GPS navigation, you need to use this wheel near the gearbox to: - leave a radio interface (you must look at screen and turn the wheel at the same time) Did you miss the part where they said they will be projecting an HUD onto the windshield so drivers won't have to look down? Your comment is arguing against a solution Mazda did not propose. Curiously, most of the people who are d…

I don't think that solves the issue. whether you're looking down or forward, you're spending your attention looking at the HUD, not the road or any other sensor.

Reading the article is always strongly recommended. The research conclusions are in there.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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>As a User Experience Professional, I was never able to grasp the true user's need for touch screens in cars. Before phone integration, I might've agreed with you, or at least had no opinion on the subject. After watching many car companies, even high-end ones like BMW and Mercedes, fail utterly at producing reasonable phone integration systems or interfaces, though, I'm all-in on CarPlay. >It basically means they ha…

> CarPlay is amazingly good As someone who recently rode in a car with CarPlay and saw two young technology professionals try to use it, I disagree. One of them owned the system and drove it every day it still didn't seem like either one really understood it ("Why's it doing that?" "Maybe because ..."). I agree that all the built-in systems I've seen are terrible, but CarPlay seems like merely the "least bad" impleme…

>One of them owned the system and drove it every day it still didn't seem like either one really understood it

Is it possible your friends are dumb? Because my 79 year old mother doesn't have an issue with CarPlay. The only potentially confusing thing is that it becomes your phone screen, and things you do on the phone influence what's on the CP screen.

The possible confusing-one-time scenario would be, say, driver using AppleMaps to navigate somewhere, and passenger using phone to look up the capital of Nebraska or whatever. When passenger pushes the home button to go to the browser, CarPlay will exit navigation and show ITS home screen, too.

Nav is still happening; you just have to switch back to it, just as you would on the phone.

And, again, this should really only be surprising once.

>Nobody riding in my (ancient) car has ever had trouble finding the big red/blue knob to change the temperature, or understanding "Here's my 2006 iPod if you want music, or unplug it and plug in your phone if you want". This is a solved problem.

CarPlay makes no effort to provide anything other than phone integration, so your climate control knob is safe.

Throwing shade on CarPlay by saying the problem was solved with an aux cable is pretty laughable, honestly. Sure, you could fiddle with your phone and play music, but there's no access to nav, no access to voice controls, and you have to grabble with your phone to change anything. CarPlay provides a large screen in a static location that simplifies the music approach, plus gives you access to other functions.

This is materially better than an aux cable.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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>As a User Experience Professional, I was never able to grasp the true user's need for touch screens in cars. Before phone integration, I might've agreed with you, or at least had no opinion on the subject. After watching many car companies, even high-end ones like BMW and Mercedes, fail utterly at producing reasonable phone integration systems or interfaces, though, I'm all-in on CarPlay. >It basically means they ha…

>CarPlay is amazingly good, and only really works well with a touchscreen. >At this point, it would be very hard for me to buy a car that didn't have CarPlay integration with a touchscreen. I've seen implementations without touch, and they're much, much less useful. Well, maybe the solution is to make apple carplay and android auto to work well with a dpad and buttons configuration, those interfaces have been working…

>the touchscreen should be disables while the car is moving

LOLNO. Not everyone is driving alone.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #389

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>CarPlay is amazingly good, and only really works well with a touchscreen. >At this point, it would be very hard for me to buy a car that didn't have CarPlay integration with a touchscreen. I've seen implementations without touch, and they're much, much less useful. Well, maybe the solution is to make apple carplay and android auto to work well with a dpad and buttons configuration, those interfaces have been working…

CarPlay works with physical controls; it doesn't require a touch screen. (As another commenter noted, the same is true of Android Auto.)

True. It's just generally better with one.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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>As a User Experience Professional, I was never able to grasp the true user's need for touch screens in cars. Before phone integration, I might've agreed with you, or at least had no opinion on the subject. After watching many car companies, even high-end ones like BMW and Mercedes, fail utterly at producing reasonable phone integration systems or interfaces, though, I'm all-in on CarPlay. >It basically means they ha…

I bought a 2016 Golf with CarPlay and only used it about twice. I hated how it was locked into only the functions it supported, didn't let me use the in-car nav or other functions while it took over my screen, and it also took over my phone.

If you thought CarPlay was going to let you control aspects of your car, not aspects of your phone, then you misunderstood it entirely.

It also doesn't "take over" your phone. You can use your phone normally while it's plugged into CarPlay; I think the only difference is that phone calls will be done through the car's audio system.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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I don't even think you have to be defensive about it. Touchscreens can make sense for things where you need to have a flexible interface and cannot afford your physical interface to look like the cockpit of an airplane. But for everything that is even a tiny bit critical you usually want to avoid it if possible. This is why even 50k€ cinema cameras like the Arri Alexa swear on knobs and buttons. The things with butto…

The world of musical instruments went through this decades ago. Yamaha DX7, one of the best-selling synths of all time, didn't have any knobs or sliders to edit its sounds. People loved the sounds, but editing them was so hard that few musicians did - that's why you can hear many DX7 stock presets in 80's music. The 90's were the dark ages of the synth. Even the buttons went away, everything was in a menu now. The sy…

I've tried to imagine a touchscreen instead of knobs and toggles in a guitar... Should be !!fun!! experience switching up settings on stage in the darkness.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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>As a User Experience Professional, I was never able to grasp the true user's need for touch screens in cars. Before phone integration, I might've agreed with you, or at least had no opinion on the subject. After watching many car companies, even high-end ones like BMW and Mercedes, fail utterly at producing reasonable phone integration systems or interfaces, though, I'm all-in on CarPlay. >It basically means they ha…

> I've seen implementations without touch, and they're much, much less useful. What, exactly, are you doing with your infotainment system that requires so much use? I mean, I agree, CarPlay and Android Auto are nice, but I'm only playing music and using the navigation, both of which can be done easily without the fancy software. > Most of us are used to being able to adjust the AC without looking It's not merely that…

>What, exactly, are you doing with your infotainment system that requires so much use? I mean, I agree, CarPlay and Android Auto are nice, but I'm only playing music and using the navigation, both of which can be done easily without the fancy software.

Wow, that's an impressive knee-jerk.

First, you cast aspersions on the speaker by suggesting they're somehow using the feature too much if they care about interface efficacy.

Then you insist that key functions are done just as easily the old way, by which I presume you mean "by looking at the phone."

I'm not sure what your point is, but you're doing an admirable job at hollering at that cloud.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Why is carplay even a thing? Geez, can't people stop fiddling with their phones? They've become like a kind of soother, a techno nanny that people can't do without. The sooner people put those things down, the better off we'll be.

So you can use your preferred maps app in your car, so you can choose music using your favorite music app, so you can send and receive text messages without taking your eyes off the road. Without it, people would just be looking at their phones anyways. Guess we should go back to paper maps and listening to AM radio.

> So you can use your preferred maps app in your car, so you can choose music using your favorite music app,

Get a dock for your phone and use bluetooth for the audio. (Or line-in, except headphone jacks keep disappearing...)

> so you can send and receive text messages without taking your eyes off the road.

Holy fuck no. Don't encourage this. Taking your eyes off the road is only one symptom of the problem. The problem is splitting your attention.

There's a TV show where they demonstrate this most years, Canada's Worst Driver. The challenge is to drive in a circle on a track. Talking on the phone - not ever looking away from the road - is enough to start veering off the track.

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