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Re: Who Killed the Junior Developer?

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Post by opportune » Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 9:50 AM UTC

alien_at_work wrote: post #766

rplnt wrote: post #756

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World doesn't work like that. You are not paid by the value you create, but by supply/demand for the position. The economics of the product only dictate whether something will be done or not. And your second statement is not true. You simply get cheaper workforce in other countries. Even on senior levels.

>You are not paid by the value you create, but by supply/demand for the position. The labor market isn't the greatest place to talk about market forces. Companies do everything they legally (and illegally to an extent) can to ensure that it's not an efficient market. Further, companies have all the power in the relationship: most of us must have work but a company doesn't absolutely have to hire someone. I saw a 4-pe…

This is good comment, and I wish I had seen it when it was made. The labor market is strange; it actually must be messed up, for profitable ventures to pan out in the software development space (if developers were paid directly according to their contributions, capital would not invest in developer-oriented businesses).

The counterpoint is that you get what you pay for. If you wait 2 years for a rockstar to take a shit salary (and let's be real, someone numerate enough to be a rockstar won't take a bad deal) you also are pricing into your organization that it's not worth it to acquire a rockstar for anything less.

Re: Who Killed the Junior Developer?

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Post by g051051 » Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 7:49 PM UTC

ranci wrote: post #795

g051051 wrote: post #771

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The point you keep missing is that the amount I'm paid more isn't equivalent to the amount more I can do than a junior dev. I perform at some X more than the junior dev, but I'm not paid X more.

It's good to know you have such a high view of yourself in comparison to others

It's not my view, it's my manager's view, as well as simple math.

Re: Who Killed the Junior Developer?

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Post by g051051 » Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 7:55 PM UTC

ataturk wrote: post #361

g051051 wrote: post #318

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> good junior devs can code not only "just as fast", but probably faster too! Pfft. I'm about as "senior" as it gets and I'm generally the fastest developer in any team I'm on. I've never met a junior dev that could hold a candle to me, and most senior devs I know are the same...we're coding monsters.

Welp, get back to me when you're 50 Mr. Senior and we'll see how you fared over the long haul. Because "coding monster" or not, when you hit 40, companies will be less enthusiastic about hiring you, and by the time you're 50, you'll be out, so I hope you're making bank right now and saving as much of it as you possibly can because there are no do-overs.

Really? I'm 54, and constantly have to turn away recruiters who pester me. Long haul is looking pretty good, right now anyway. Even if you're a junior dev, outlooks can change and shift...it's all about staying relevant and proving your worth.