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Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by everheardofc »

mozumder wrote: post #655
illuminati1911 wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

It seems people have no idea that Nazis are actually extremely violent people. I'm not talking about your average racist, but people that identify with the Nazi party. Violence is central to their philosophy. If you actually met any modern-day Nazis, you would know this. It took me about two days of hanging out with Nazis before they literally tried to blow me up. This isn't some free-speech issue where you debate po…

What about anti-nazis that constantly cry out how every nazi is an armed, dangerous criminal that should be killed or arrested wholesale.

My opinion about those?

Just ban them. Arrest their members. Don't be the socially inept libertarian nerd that thinks only in terms of theory without any real-world experience. It's perfectly fine to limit rights and freedoms in the real world. You can do it!

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by saimiam »

abalone wrote: post #617
ncallaway wrote: post #597

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> Cloudflare is essentially performing the function of the police permitting the KKK to march, which the US constitution permits The better analogy is that Cloudflare is performing the function of private security instead of a police force. The United State government doesn't require any private entities to provide armed security for political groups they dislike (in fact, the US government couldn't make such a manda…

I agree. As our society moves more to Internet-based communication we must consider how to preserve and apply the principles of free speech when so much of it is governed by private entities. Is free speech not a desirable trait? Is it merely something that racists exploit, and thus the move to autocratic private management is a blessing, a relief from the constitutional shackles that would compel, say, a law enforce…

I don't understand your downvotes. I agree with the overall point you are making. Private ownership, for better or worse, is leading to the erosion of free speech itself. Taken to its logical end, a society where everything is conducted through private enterprise is going to turn quiescent or hew to the middle at the very least.

As a brown immigrant currently living/working in the States I'm not a Nazi sympathizer by any stretch but I wanted to post in support of your broader point.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by noobermin »

nemothekid wrote: post #653
chvid wrote: post #599

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I don't have any sympathy for the Daily Stormer. I just don't see where this is stopping. What else needs to be taken down? /pol/? Who about Breitbart? Or maybe some 2nd WW Nazi propaganda? Or something from the US civil war? You guys seem to be ok with this very slippery slope being assessed by random private companies accountable to who knows. And then you have the nerve to call us who believes that limits of free…

> You guys seem to be ok with this very slippery slope being assessed by random private companies accountable to who knows. To me its strange someone would consider closing down /pol/ a "slippery slope". I am amazed that someone would consider 4chan a moral compass for the type of things their admins should put up with. moot has closed down /pol/ for this very reason in the past with even less "political" awareness t…

>moot shut down /pol/ (aka /n/) before, twice, on a whim because he didn't like the content

Hate to bring /b/ into my hn, but newfriends, who make up the majority of the /pol/lacks don't even know this.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by atypicaluser »

Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

Not all of us will argue to the contrary. On the other hand, expect no sympathy when the powers-that-be decide to knock your favorite site(s) off the grid because they haven't passed the (next fashionable) purity test. You've no leg to stand on.

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Post by vacri »

thehardsphere wrote: post #775
jrimbault wrote: post #622

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Anarchists and communists have long been banned from entering the US. And I've noticed a strong push back against most of the more mild socialists ideas. The US have not been "the land of the free" for a long time. And I will argue that communism is fundamentally a good ideology. While fascism has never leaned on the good side of human nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954 https://en.wik…

> Anarchists and communists have long been banned from entering the US. And I've noticed a strong push back against most of the more mild socialists ideas. The US have not been "the land of the free" for a long time. American citizens are perfectly free to hold those beliefs. They are also free to determine what kind of people they want to allow in their country, just like every other country on Earth can. That they…

You seem to be rebutting a rebuttal without having read the grandparent comment. "What about the nazi ban?" is a non-sequitor in context.

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Post by bitexploder »

noobermin wrote: post #803
nemothekid wrote: post #653

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> You guys seem to be ok with this very slippery slope being assessed by random private companies accountable to who knows. To me its strange someone would consider closing down /pol/ a "slippery slope". I am amazed that someone would consider 4chan a moral compass for the type of things their admins should put up with. moot has closed down /pol/ for this very reason in the past with even less "political" awareness t…

>moot shut down /pol/ (aka /n/) before, twice, on a whim because he didn't like the content Hate to bring /b/ into my hn, but newfriends, who make up the majority of the /pol/lacks don't even know this.

It is also an ideal ground for groups with bad intentions to manipulate folks. Who is actually operating those keyboards? What are their actual motives?

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Post by [deleted] »

noobermin wrote: post #803
nemothekid wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You guys seem to be ok with this very slippery slope being assessed by random private companies accountable to who knows. To me its strange someone would consider closing down /pol/ a "slippery slope". I am amazed that someone would consider 4chan a moral compass for the type of things their admins should put up with. moot has closed down /pol/ for this very reason in the past with even less "political" awareness t…

>moot shut down /pol/ (aka /n/) before, twice, on a whim because he didn't like the content Hate to bring /b/ into my hn, but newfriends, who make up the majority of the /pol/lacks don't even know this.

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Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by Malice »

pjc50 wrote: post #730
seikilos wrote: post #636

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> Nazis are no different. Be careful of this. There are very few actual national socialists in the United States, and they certainly aren't all part of a single organisation like Al Qaeda. Even among them the majority are probably against genocide since they all deny the holocaust. What you say does however apply to The Daily Stormer. So I agree that they're a threat and should have been taken down years ago.

Holocaust denial is a pro-genocide ideology. To deny the holocaust of the past is part of denying violence in the present day. It also implies that Jews are liars - it's a very strong piece of anti-semitism.

> Holocaust denial is a pro-genocide ideology

Can you make this case more clearly? I get that it's anti-semitic (the lying point) but not how it's pro-genocide.

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

matt4077 wrote: post #106
doubleshame wrote: post #19

It is very important to distinguish something like Facebook blocking an account / Medium taking down a blog from a domain registrar refusing to cooperate. You are free to create a room where only some ideologies are allowed, but it's dangerous to play the same game with the ability to create the rooms . First the domain registrars, then networks say that they don't want to peer, and then we end up with a fragmented i…

> "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" It's not, actually. Fire is much better, and even alcohol is preferable. That's why there's very little open-air surgery. > It is not wise to pretend that an opinion that you do not want just simply does not exist. Reality doesn't support this idea. Every single country except the US has more stringent limits on what's acceptable speech. Yet among democratic countries, only the U…

> Every single country except the US has more stringent limits on what's acceptable speech.

You got that upside down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by vacri »

Deestan wrote: post #624
illuminati1911 wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

> radical leftist agenda Being anti-nazi is "radical leftist" now?

I'm beginning to think that as soon as someone says the word 'agenda', you can safely ignore what they have to say. That word is never used constructively in political discussions.
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