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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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... and nothing of value was lost. http://www.paulbogdanor.com/left/cuba/dictatorship.html The man was an evil murderous dictator, and the world - and his subjects - are better off without him.

The Left's love affair with murderous dictators is a wonder to behold. And boy, do they hate it when you point that out!

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/wont-jeremy-corbyn-like...

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Given the numerous trials and inquests, include one which made sure to include members of the community, it certainly seems ambiguous. I'll ignore the fact that I mentioned head of state for the purposes of discussion, but what in your mind makes the situation unambiguous? I've only know heard of Fred Hampton, outside of a Rage Against the Machine mention so I'm certainly not well informed on the matter.

The FBI reports to the head of state. Are you somehow arguing that it's /better/ if the politician relies on others to do their violence for them? (As if Castro himself was the sole person to arrest or execute his enemies...) Suggested reading as to why it's not ambiguous: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4375527 The history of how the FBI suppressed Black, Native, Latino, and New Leftist organizations more generally i…

I never once said that. In fact I asked for clarification on the incident but you seem unwilling to give that.

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the numerous trials and inquests, include one which made sure to include members of the community, it certainly seems ambiguous. I'll ignore the fact that I mentioned head of state for the purposes of discussion, but what in your mind makes the situation unambiguous? I've only know heard of Fred Hampton, outside of a Rage Against the Machine mention so I'm certainly not well informed on the matter.

The FBI reports to the head of state. Are you somehow arguing that it's /better/ if the politician relies on others to do their violence for them? (As if Castro himself was the sole person to arrest or execute his enemies...) Suggested reading as to why it's not ambiguous: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4375527 The history of how the FBI suppressed Black, Native, Latino, and New Leftist organizations more generally i…

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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the numerous trials and inquests, include one which made sure to include members of the community, it certainly seems ambiguous. I'll ignore the fact that I mentioned head of state for the purposes of discussion, but what in your mind makes the situation unambiguous? I've only know heard of Fred Hampton, outside of a Rage Against the Machine mention so I'm certainly not well informed on the matter.

The FBI reports to the head of state. Are you somehow arguing that it's /better/ if the politician relies on others to do their violence for them? (As if Castro himself was the sole person to arrest or execute his enemies...) Suggested reading as to why it's not ambiguous: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4375527 The history of how the FBI suppressed Black, Native, Latino, and New Leftist organizations more generally i…

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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the numerous trials and inquests, include one which made sure to include members of the community, it certainly seems ambiguous. I'll ignore the fact that I mentioned head of state for the purposes of discussion, but what in your mind makes the situation unambiguous? I've only know heard of Fred Hampton, outside of a Rage Against the Machine mention so I'm certainly not well informed on the matter.

The FBI reports to the head of state. Are you somehow arguing that it's /better/ if the politician relies on others to do their violence for them? (As if Castro himself was the sole person to arrest or execute his enemies...) Suggested reading as to why it's not ambiguous: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4375527 The history of how the FBI suppressed Black, Native, Latino, and New Leftist organizations more generally i…

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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #802

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI reports to the head of state. Are you somehow arguing that it's /better/ if the politician relies on others to do their violence for them? (As if Castro himself was the sole person to arrest or execute his enemies...) Suggested reading as to why it's not ambiguous: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4375527 The history of how the FBI suppressed Black, Native, Latino, and New Leftist organizations more generally i…

I never once said that. In fact I asked for clarification on the incident but you seem unwilling to give that.

"but you seem unwilling to give that"

No, you seem unwilling to read the link I gave? From the article:

"That same month, on April 23, 1976, the Church Committee released its Final Staff Report on the FBI and CIA’s rampant domestic illegalities which included a chapter entitled “The FBI’s Covert Action Plan to Destroy the Black Panther Party.” The chapter concluded by highlighting the Hampton raid as a COINTELPRO operation and quoting from the bonus documents that we had obtained only weeks before."

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Can you be intellectually honest and say the first global superpower in the world had NOTHING to do with the poverty of the cuban people?

nothing is a big word, of course it had an impact. but totalitarianism, oppression, indoctrination, etc. were not caused by outside factors, they are direct actions by the dictatorship.

Well, now who's being naïve?

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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I know it's mindboggling, but really there aren't. This is one thing that Westerners typically don't get about the Communist-bloc countries, or don't seem to care. Whereas in average the standard of living was always much higher in Capitalist countries, if you looked at the Eastern European Communist bloc for example, there's no extreme poverty, because the state takes care of that (and it's an extremely important th…

Most Cubans live in very poor conditions with no means to improve their lives because of low wages and high cost of living (by Cuban standards, tourists will find it cheap so that should show you how little money they make). Also, government oppression against those who speak up is a great deterrent to changing the current socio/economic situation. You talk about levels of education like a grandiose achievement, it i…

That statement is supported by people I talked to who've been there. It's not like Cuba is North Korea; it's not that hard to see what life there is really like.

Also, I do consider their levels of education to be a grandiose achievement, and "to what end?" — well, their levels of healthcare for one. I don't claim their system is perfect or even good, but one can't judge the value of education only on the salaries they bring.

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's mindboggling, but really there aren't. This is one thing that Westerners typically don't get about the Communist-bloc countries, or don't seem to care. Whereas in average the standard of living was always much higher in Capitalist countries, if you looked at the Eastern European Communist bloc for example, there's no extreme poverty, because the state takes care of that (and it's an extremely important th…

I was born in Romania under communism, which fell in December 1989. We didn't have children living on the streets either. But the reason for that was that giving children up for adoption was essentially illegal, the women of our country being denied contraception, having a mandate to reproduce and raise offsprings. And also foster homes were essentially prisons, some in really poor conditions; at least those that had…

> And also foster homes were essentially prisons, some in really poor conditions

This is still true of most orphanages in countries like Brazil. It still beats dying of hunger and cold under a bridge any day, which is unfortunately still a common occurrence in those countries.

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