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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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It seems that a large number of posters believe that discriminating against white men is okay because they enjoy "white privilege", whatever that is. Either you believe it is okay to discriminate against someone on the basis of their skin color or you don't. Attempts to redefine the word notwithstanding, those who subscribe to the former philosophy are known as racists. It is hard to distinguish the anti-white vitrio…

> Either you believe it is okay to discriminate against someone on the basis of their skin color or you don't. In most anti-discrimination policy discussions, the question being asked is not what colour ones skin is. It is whether the person belongs to an identifiable group that has suffered systemic prejudice. The ordinary intention of anti-discrimination is to rectify past and prevent future wrongs, and in particul…

> The argument that white people are being discriminated against based on a formula that rectifies past wrongs and undoes future ones belies a misunderstanding of the purpose, benefit, and impact.

That's perfectly absurd. Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination.

How do we measure wrongs? How do we "undo future wrongs"?

I can't. Totally cannot. 100% can't deal with your argument.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Bring on the suits! While GH is busy distracting their world-class engineers with B.S. reverse-racism meetings, they will successfully free up their equity pool for more suit hires. That should suck the life out real quick... Goodbye revolutionary, forward-thinking work culture & hierarchy (meritocracy). You will be gravely missed. Good luck hiring sub-par engineers for the next 2 years and watching your data centers…

Well, what are the alternatives? Hosted: Bitbucket, GitLab Self-hosted: GitLab, Gogs None of these come close to GitHub in my experience.

I have just switched to Bitbucket, since in my experience anything feminists touch turns to shit shortly thereafter.

I get free unlimited private repositories and everything works. It's blazingly fast. I absolutely love it, not a single issue so far.

Should have switched sooner.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> I support the right of the KKK to march through the streets, but that doesn't mean I should have to hire one of their members. That's not the analogy. It's contrived, but to stick with the theme of white racists, is it ethical (legality aside) for a board full of clansmen to fire a CEO that donated to the ADL? To keep it simple, let's say the CEO is not Jewish, but does financially support the ADL.

Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be? They can fire him for any or no reason and it's completely ethical. They don't owe him employment.

> They can fire him for any or no reason and it's completely ethical.

You must have a different definition of ethics than the rest of us do. I'm having a hard time reconciling that opinion with a definition of "ethical" that actually means anything, to be honest. Would you care to provide a definition?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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It wasn't meant to be serious but to point out how absurd it is how seriously everyone here is taking themselves and viewing everything as a personal affront or a call to war. They see this as a war with "SJWs" and "PC police". You're right that I could have written a more serious reply, but when HN goes to shit the best thing to do is shitpost :).

I guess you missed the bit where Github is both promoting university campus diversity and looking to engage in enterprise sales. The two things are so far from compatible it boggles the mind. How can they keep a straight face? I have no idea. Business ultimately is about making money, politics is brought in to it as late stage PR. Founders of their own company being ousted is nothing short of combative. Are you 'allo…

For some reason, you told me to "call [you] a dipshit on hackernews you big pussy see how that goes" [1], but not before telling me to "go fuck [my] mom" [2].

Here I am. None of us understands what you're trying to accomplish here, but unironically using the term "SJW" would have been a giant, neon dipshit detector even before reading the rest of your posts. Thanks for self-identifying.

1. https://twitter.com/ryanfaceryan/status/696188157155348482

2. https://twitter.com/ryanfaceryan/status/696186759416143873

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Not talking or thinking about race, or any other marginalization category, does absolutely nothing to help. "Privilege is invisible to those who have it". I humbly suggest you watch this TED presentation, https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_kimmel_why_gender_equality... Granted it's primarily about gender equality, but it does an excellent job also addressing race, ethnicity, etc.

> Not talking or thinking about race ... does absolutely nothing to help. But in the better future world we're trying to create where there is much less discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or sex or other body attributes, isn't that exactly what we'd be doing, not talking or thinking about race because it just isn't important to us? Isn't not talking or thinking about race exactly what we should be doing, as muc…

No, not talking or thinking about race leads to erasure, which is another form of racism. (For race/racism, you can substitute gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, etc.)

To try to make this clear by analogy, one of the reasons that #OscarsSoWhite is a meme is because if black children only ever see white people winning Oscars…they won’t believe that they themselves could win one (and there’s 95%+ white winners for all acting categories in the Oscars). Having visible role models is important. Having discussions about equality and representation are important.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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We tried to switch. After few days devs make a note on the table "X days without GitLab being down". X always was < 2.

Do you use gitlab.com or you own instance ? We use our own instance since 2 years (60+ users, 200+ repo) and the only down time is for update

I am sure that own instances will run much better, but i prefer cloud services for storing such important data.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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This is standard stuff for a growing company. Right down to the disillusionment of the rank and file. I'm curious if anyone in the HN community has worked for a > 500 person company with a flat structure. What a lot of commenters seemed to miss is that the remote work policy applies exclusively to senior managers. Senior managers are no longer allowed to live afar and must report to the office. These are the people t…

HN seems to have a white-male persecution complex. No one here is talking about the interesting parts of the story: " 10 or more executives have departed in recent months. " " In addition to previously reported executive departures, Business Insider has learned that Ryan Day, VP of business development; Adam Zimman, senior director of technology partnerships; and Scott Buxton, controller, have all left in the last si…

The most interesting part for me is that the CEO talks to 2 of his VC's every day

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> GitHub's pricing model makes NO sense for established companies with lots of projects Totally agree with this assessment. When we were with Github, we actually ended up on a custom plan, negotiated with them directly, because we had too many projects to fit within their normal pricing structure. We eventually moved to Bitbucket two or three years ago and it's far more cost-effective for us. At this point we have 50…

What do you do with that many different projects? Genuinely curious.

I use bitbucket for the same reason. As an agency of <20 employees, we have 30 or more clients and many of them have 5-10 projects. Most of them are small projects that we don't touch often, but bitbucket is the only place we can afford to host with that many. We pay for a plan for our own org and we set up free orgs for most of our larger clients since there are rarely more than 4 devs who need access to the projects.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Do you seriously think most of this is based in straight-up hatred of white males? Every time I read something like was in the article, I view it as representative of what the author feels every day . God forbid we feel that way for 5 seconds before we throw it away.

Perceived grievances with the unfairness of the world do not entitle you to scapegoat other people or groups. This language is strikingly similar to to the dehumanisation of the Jews (as a race) in the public sphere in the 1920's and 30's after economic collapse and people were looking for a villein. Once you demonize a group as pure unredeemable evil its a short step to advocating physical violence as moral good to…

Driving the adoption of identity politics seems to be a synergy between the Western ruling class's interests and those of a subset of leftists. My guess is the ruling class likes the ideology, and supports it, because it provides a moral pretext for weakening historically dominant demographics. Once these demographics are sufficiently cowed, they will be more willing to let go of self-determination and accept supernational rule (rule imposed by the EU on European nations, for example).

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I'm not saying be undistinguishable from native Chinese, I'm saying adapt to the culture and you'll do better. Don't think, "I'm going native" think of it as transitioning into the mainstream of Chinese society. Celebrate New Years with your coworkers, eat the local fare, defer to ancestor worship, observe deference to elders, etc... the things that allow locals to function within their society. You don't go ahead an…

A perfect example of this is DaShan (Henry Mark Roswell). That said, mainstream Chinese society is basically Han Chinese, which is largely eastern China. There's a lot more to China than just the eastern areas. Xinjiang and Tibet are two areas of the PRC that are essentially occupied countries experiencing ethnic cleansing via dilution. The ethnicities that are the majority (or used to be the majority) in these regio…

I think the question about how wide the net of diversity should cover geographically is an interesting one. Some people will say that because the users are a worldwide audience that the demographics of the product/service producer should reflect that demographic (so reflect the demographics of the user base rather than the more traditional local talent pool or population, regional talent pool or population, etc.

But I think people make these demands arbitrarily [or rather not, but whenever it benefits them]. So as an Irishwoman or an Indian man, I might not fret about the diversity of a product/service from Ireland or India, but then if a product or service from the US or Japan is used extensively in Ireland or India, I might insist on it having representation of my country/ethnicity.

You also don't hear people saying, HonHai (Foxconn) should hire a more diverse workforce, or Xiomi [or even Lexus, for example] even though many of the products out put by these companies are used in diverse places.

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