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Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by josteink »

MCRed wrote: post #68
sbuk wrote: post #57

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"Doesn't Apple have any consideration for this situation?" They do; buy a Mac. EDIT: That sounds harsh, but it is their business model. That is the cost of entry to the Apple eco-system. I would argue that the running through hoops was your choice. The obvious choice is to not build for their platform.

That's kinda like saying the obvious choice is not to build for Windows, because you have to have Windows to run Windows development tools. Or not to build for Linux because you have to buy a linux machine.

> Or not to build for Linux because you have to buy a linux machine.

Linux runs everywhere on anything. If you cannot find a place to run it for free, you aren't looking particularly hard.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by vbezhenar »

kriro wrote: post #22

I'm thinking about getting a MBP (have one at work) because the hardware is shiny and OSX is useful/needed for some things (iOS development, Unity development). However I'd much rather run Linux as the base OS. That setup wouldn't violate the EULA. I guess I'll spin up a VB-image on this OSX-MBP and see how it goes :) Useful.

Consider running OS X as host OS and Linux as a guest OS in VirtualBox. Unless you are going to play games in Linux, you should have a good experience.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by stephenr »

josteink wrote: post #36
stephenr wrote: post #35

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> I was referring to Linux as a proper, unrestricted Unix-environment Ironic really, given that OS X is certified UNIX 03, and I don't believe any Linux distribution is.

Being a licenced Unix is a technicality, mostly involving willingness to pay for a badge. Being a properly free and unrestricted environment to work with and work in is not. That's something concrete, real and has actual value.

> Being a properly free and unrestricted environment to work with and work in is not

So why didn't you say that? You said "I was referring to Linux as a proper, unrestricted Unix-environment"

To be pedantic, Linux is the kernel. The environment, is the GNU userland, which is specifically NOT UNIX.

Yes I know it's Unix-like. But when you start your complaint with "it's not proper" try to at least know what you want it to be and what you don't want.

OS X is a "proper UNIX" operating system.

GNU/Linux distributions are free unix-like operating systems.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by chrisBob »

pluma wrote: post #63
ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #39

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Congratulations, England is an old country.

Not that old. The US is just an infant by comparison, that is all. If you want an old country, look at China.

The Republic of China is only about 100 years old.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by smtddr »

sbuk wrote: post #57
pierrec wrote: post #53

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Same experience here. I usually don't have an Apple computer underhand, but I maintain cross-platform software for which I publish OSX binaries. I wish Apple gave some consideration to this situation, which is less of a problem for other plaforms which can be virtualized properly. After going though hoops running unstable VMs on old versions of VirtualBox, I ended up getting a vaguely stable build process up and runn…

"Doesn't Apple have any consideration for this situation?" They do; buy a Mac. EDIT: That sounds harsh, but it is their business model. That is the cost of entry to the Apple eco-system. I would argue that the running through hoops was your choice. The obvious choice is to not build for their platform.

Let me just drop this link: http://macincloud.com/ ...you could totally use the iOS simulator, or compile the .ipa(iOS app binary) and send it to yourself via testflight or even faster, on a jailbroken device, just FTP/scp/whatever the .ipa to your physical location and install it on your device. But yeah, other than this cloud solution I completely agree on the price-of-entry point. Considering the salaries we're getting these days, allocating $1,000 for an iOS device and a macmini doesn't seem unreasonable. Around $1,600 if you need a macbook. That's how Apple rolls. Take it or leave it. If you're just wanting to learn to hack around with things, or just can't afford Apple hardware right now, then sure... hack around with OSX on non-Apple hardware. But if you're a professional paid engineer and serious about app development, dealing with this hack'ish OSX environment is a waste of time. Just by a macmini or sign up with macincloud. Spend your time developing your app, not pulling your hair out on whatever brokeness of OSX-on-NonApple-hardware you'll encounter.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by st3fan »

defied wrote: post #83
st3fan wrote: post #71

Can the same technique be used to run Yosemite under KVM?

Take a look at http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~somlo/OSXKVM/ I haven't tried it myself, but those instructions should help with running Yosemite on QEMU/KVM

Ah thanks for the reminder. I had looked at that page previously when it just covered 10.9. I see that it has been updated with instructions for 10.10. Wonderful.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by belorn »

anon1385 wrote: post #78
jacquesm wrote: post #40

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That's one of the most often repeated bits of nonsense regarding the GPL, the FSF has always been more than willing to test these aspects in court it's just that nobody has felt sure enough they would prevail in such a lawsuit that they bothered to follow through on it. Effectively this is testimony to how well the GPL has been put together from a legal point of view, it is bad contracts, agreements and licenses that…

So you think the FSF/SFLC wanted to go to court over this case, where Moglen was giving private legal advice to linux developers that was very much in conflict with copyright law[1]? I don't. Uncertainty over what adaption means serves their purposes. Uncertainty about the legality of taking somebody else's code and just relicensing it as GPL also serves their purpose. As does uncertainly over what results in a combi…

I would take Theo de Raadt suspisions with a large grain of salt, especially when he is arguing that BSD licensed software can only be used with other BSD licenses software. The whole point of permissive licensed software is that you can use it under a different license, and many proprietary software companies would get quite angry if they suddenly had to close down shops because Theo has a new theory. They would also likely stop funding bsd projects.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

TillE wrote: post #75
jarek wrote: post #72

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You don't have to buy Microsoft hardware to run Windows development tools

But you do need to buy their software (or you did, until very recently), at least their operating system. In this case, Apple only sells their software in combination with hardware. $500 for a Mac (with a license to all their "free" software) is not terribly far from $200 for Windows 8 Pro.

Incorrect on all counts - You have never needed to buy Microsoft's software in order to build something for Windows. There have always been free options from Microsoft and others.

And you don't need to pay for Windows either because Microsoft has given away 6 month trials of every version of Windows since forever. (And they give you an option to re-up the trial time without reinstalling so you can get like a year out of a free trial of Windows no problem.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by PopeOfNope »

josteink wrote: post #79
PopeOfNope wrote: post #76

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At the very least, it's less hassle than linux thanks largely to well supported hardware. As for the beauty of the hardware and software, it becomes less so with every passing year.

On the contrary I find OSX's hardware support very poor compared to Linux. I can buy any Thinkpad and boot Ubuntu with all hardware detected and functional. I cannot do the same with OSX.

> I can buy any Thinkpad and boot Ubuntu with all hardware detected and functional.

Until you try to hook up an external screen, then all bets are off. I know because I recently attempted to do just that (w530, ubuntu 14.04 LTS). Compare that to buying a macbook pro and it's no contest. The hardware is simply better supported.

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