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Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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post #27

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Sounds exactly like OS X 10.10 Yosemite to me, where the promised Photos app (which really is nothing special) arrived many months later.

In some ways yes it is the same. However Photos isn't exactly the most important piece of software that comes with your OS. Microsoft are trying to change how people think of their web browser. Edge is very important yet they are launching it without one of the biggest features needed in a modern browser, extension support.

Certainly, browser extensions are important to some people.

But do you believe that more than 1% of web browser users install and use one or more browser extensions?

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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post #25

Nice to see that Clippy is back. Oh sure, it's called Cortana, but rest assured - it's Clippy all right. Your very own personal assistant, now fully integrated into Windows (not just Office).

Clippy has some interesting history.

http://robotzeitgeist.com/tag/bayesian-inference-engine

(I subbed that link, got two upvotes and zero comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5219280 )

> Well, after doing some research I found out what went wrong. In a paper published in 1998 at the Conference on Uncertainty in Artificial Intelligence (UAI), the Lumiere team described the inner workings of the Assistant’s inference engine and also how much of it was included in the released version of Office 97. Below is a list of the features that were excluded from the product release (those keen enough can cross reference the list with what was demoed in the video above.)

> • No persistent user profiles.

> • No reasoning about user competence, i.e., novice versus experienced user

> • Small event queue with emphasis only on the most recent interactions of the user with the software interface (this means the engine was trying to guess the values of many variables using very little data.)

> • Separation between user interface events and word-based queries; for word-based queries the engine ignored any context and user actions.

> • Last and possibly most important and I quote from the paper, “The automated facility of providing assistance based on the likelihood that a user may need assistance or on the expected utility of such autonomous action was not employed.” Instead, “The Office team has employed a relatively simple rule-based system on top of the Bayesian query analysis system to bring the agent to the foreground with a variety of tips.” This is why Clippy kept popping up all the time. It was not using the mathematically correct engine that the researchers had designed. It was driven by some rule-based system that one or more of the developers from the product team thought was a reasonable substitute.

I don't think modern MS would make the same mistake, but who knows.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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post #23

Does Windows 10 includes a better Terminal or we need to install Putty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WAHFsAboTY

Now we only need non-trivial tab completion, command history that survives restart, and ssh in a prompt, and we can feel like the nineties have arrived.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Update often is the new mantra. Unfortunately that sometimes means "we can ship crap!".

Looks like you and I hit a nerve here on HN. You are right though. Microsoft will be shipping Windows 10 with an incomplete version of their new Edge browser with the promise of adding critical features such as extensions in the future. Basically Windows 10 won't really be feature complete RTM for another 6 months. Even if Microsoft want to pretend it is ready now. Edit: To clarify the "hit a nerve" bit, when I wrote…

I would be surprised if they would make such a gamble. The last thing they can afford is another PR disaster with Windows 10.

Right now, there is very little incentive for a user to move on from Windows 7 on an existing machine, particularly if it is not touch enabled. Now imagine if they hear that Windows 10 is riddled with bugs and doesn't work.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Update often is the new mantra. Unfortunately that sometimes means "we can ship crap!".

You're getting downvoted a lot, but you're not wrong. Game companies, like Ubisoft, have been getting a lot of heat in particular for this lately...

I stopped buying games by EA and Ubisoft about 5 years ago for this very reason - shipping incomplete & buggy software with the mentality "we'll patch it later". In EA's case, those patches didn't even materialize a lot of the time.

I take it from your comment that they're still up to their old tricks... I'll continue my boycott of EA and Ubi

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

#86
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds exactly like OS X 10.10 Yosemite to me, where the promised Photos app (which really is nothing special) arrived many months later.

In some ways yes it is the same. However Photos isn't exactly the most important piece of software that comes with your OS. Microsoft are trying to change how people think of their web browser. Edge is very important yet they are launching it without one of the biggest features needed in a modern browser, extension support.

Are they allowed to ship a browser as a core OS feature? I thought that ship had been sunk - in the EU at least.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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post #12

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I always wonder why they never mention how the supposedly free upgrade works. From this article and the linked FAQ I get the impression that I do not qualify for free Windows 10 forever, but that I can upgrade my Windows 8.1 installations via Windows Upgrade for a year after launch, but that my Windows license is not generally upgraded to a Windows 10 license. I take this to mean that after a year and a day, when I w…

The rule of thumb is that if it can activate it can upgrade.

Yes, but say I upgrade my Win8.1 during the free year. In two years time I want to reinstall. Will there be an option to a. download some Windows 10 installation media so I can do a fresh install, or do I b. always have to first install Win8.1?

If it's a, is my Win8.1 license key valid? Did the MS activation server get the memo that I upgraded during the free year? If it is b, will the upgrade from Win8.1 to 10 still be free after the first year, or not? I already upgraded my license once,but do they keep track of this? Can I still activate? Or does it count as a new try to upgrade after the free year?

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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post #58
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds exactly like OS X 10.10 Yosemite to me, where the promised Photos app (which really is nothing special) arrived many months later.

But the answer is going to be that Apple Updates are free. Which is going to be the same reply for Windows 10 for the next year.

Just to clarify. MS said users of win 7 & 8 will be able to upgrade for free to win 10 within a year.

I believe I read somewhere that this will be MS's last release #. It will be a rolling release from here on out. I have not seen details on how they monetize that unless they switch to Apple's HW model.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

#89
post #25

Nice to see that Clippy is back. Oh sure, it's called Cortana, but rest assured - it's Clippy all right. Your very own personal assistant, now fully integrated into Windows (not just Office).

No its actually really good. Just got a Lumia 640 and its pretty cool. Granted I look like an idiot asking it stuff every two minutes but meh.

Mr Clippy was a merely a bumbling idiot.

Perhaps a nod to the past, if you ask about mr clippy the cortana ring turns into a paperclip and tells you he's retired.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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post #25

Nice to see that Clippy is back. Oh sure, it's called Cortana, but rest assured - it's Clippy all right. Your very own personal assistant, now fully integrated into Windows (not just Office).

Taking hundreds of hours of work and dismissing it is petty and unjustified.

Many things that took a long time to do were not worth doing.
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