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Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by c1 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #78
netheril96 wrote: post #72

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As a Chinese citizen, I regular browse the Internet through a VPN server in South Korea just so that I can use Google to solve my technical problems. And Gmail. And stackoverflow. And travis-ci. And GitHub Gist. And Rubygems.

I've given up on VPNs...they just seem to be so flaky that after you pay your one year subscription fee, they are then blocked by the government. I just use Bing (disclosure: MS employee but would like search engine choice).

Red Apricot (Hong Xing) have been working well for almost a year.

It's a Chrome extension. Based on sockets proxy.

Occasionally, it got blocked, but they would recover it in the next day.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #74
quotemstr wrote: post #71

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Fundamentally, the risk of bad outcomes is the price we pay for living in a free society. I would rather recognize the right of everyone to say anything, and occasionally do great things, than cower behind speech restrictions designed to produce a safe, bland uniformity.

> I would rather recognize the right of everyone to say anything, and occasionally do great things, than cower behind speech restrictions designed to produce a safe, bland uniformity. "Safe, bland uniformity"? Lives are at stake. People's safety is at stake.

"Safety"? Coming from your ilk, which calls all dissent "harassment", that's a terrifying and ominous word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety

Mean words on the internet put nobody's life at risk.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by guard-of-terra »

braythwayt wrote: post #47
pki wrote: post #6

>the country's telecoms regulator ordered monitoring applications be installed on the smartphones of Koreans aged 18 and below This is disgusting to read, in all seriousness. Not allowed to have a blog without linking it to their SSN, not allowed to play games without linking it to their SSN, all communications monitored, chat logged.. holy shit. Getting a mobile phone also requires one.. (and that's not even countin…

> all communications monitored, chat logged.. holy shit. It is disturbing to read that Korea is forcing its teenagers to live under the kind of oppressive surveillance that is enforced by countries like the United States, Canada, Britain, and Australia.

Is there anybody defending those? Unless there are, your downvoting is well deserved.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

quotemstr wrote: post #82
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would rather recognize the right of everyone to say anything, and occasionally do great things, than cower behind speech restrictions designed to produce a safe, bland uniformity. "Safe, bland uniformity"? Lives are at stake. People's safety is at stake.

"Safety"? Coming from your ilk, which calls all dissent "harassment", that's a terrifying and ominous word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety Mean words on the internet put nobody's life at risk.

> "Safety"? Coming from your ilk, which calls all dissent "harassment",

Well aren't you a nasty piece of work. Using a straw man to claim harassment doesn't exist.

> Mean words on the internet put nobody's life at risk.

Completely untrue. People have been bullied into suicide many, many times. Vulnerable people can have their address revealed and receive physical attacks or be outright murdered. Hate speech can incite violence.

Get out of your fantasy land. Speech and action are not divorced, and words usually hurt far more than sticks or stones.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by netheril96 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #78
netheril96 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Chinese citizen, I regular browse the Internet through a VPN server in South Korea just so that I can use Google to solve my technical problems. And Gmail. And stackoverflow. And travis-ci. And GitHub Gist. And Rubygems.

I've given up on VPNs...they just seem to be so flaky that after you pay your one year subscription fee, they are then blocked by the government. I just use Bing (disclosure: MS employee but would like search engine choice).

Buy a VPS and set up your own VPN. It is much cheaper and less likely to be targeted.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

digi_owl wrote: post #79
innguest wrote: post #68

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There are very good counter arguments you can easily find online. I'll give you my favorites. For intellectual property, it is not real property. Property is the category of things that are material and can exchange hands. Data, like speech, does not get literally exchanged, but copied. So there's no such thing as intellectual property. Imagine you can memorize whole books. Would that be illegal? What if your friends…

The logic of child porn legislation seems to mimic that of drug laws. Catching the suppliers are hard (multiple jurisdictions etc) so instead catch the consumers and so hope to dry up the market. Thing is that we are dealing with a mangled sex drive here, and you can't get any more basic than that (the sex drive can even override the drive for self preservation). The only way to really solve the problem would be to f…

Simple. Once we have a good test, the one's who test positive will be institutionalized for life, likely kept on drugs. It would be to the extent that it might be more humane to take them out and shoot them. Especially if this test would work while they were still children.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #69
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #21

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Every day the envelope gets pushed further and further. This is one of the driving factors behind my shifting view to be behind an unlimited Freedom of Speech/Information viewpoint. No restriction on any speech/information, including monitoring that would have a chilling effect. I realize it isn't perfect, but I think it is better than the alternative. Also, someone needs to take the extreme stance because if the onl…

This is fine for the most privileged, but unlimited speech means unlimited ability for harassment.

Limited speech means unlimited ability for harassment by the government. I'd rather deal with an individual.
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