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Re: I have something to hide

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Post by pierreozoux »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #77
pierreozoux wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free software is the way to go :) If your software is not free, you have no guarantee of what's happening there.

If you don't actually audit the hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code comprising an open source application stack you don't have a guarantee of what's happening either. Bugs like Heartbleed demonstrate that massive vulnerabilities can be introduced and persist in well-regarded open-source codebases for long periods of time without detection in spite of theoretical "millions of eyes". Heartbleed was, to t…

This is true, but for proprietary software it is way worse...

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by worklogin »

rgbrgb wrote: post #46

"Would you allow a stranger to enter your home, and look around?" Yeah, that's how you make friends. Certainly not into government spying but this is a ridiculous comparison. Reminds me of those piracy ads that try to convince you not to download music by saying "you wouldn't download a car". It's like pretty different and of course I'd love to download a car. I'm down for the cause but I don't think talking to peopl…

It's not ridiculous at all. Would you? Would you allow a stranger (not a friend, but LEO) to just "poke around" to make sure everything is up and up, and to look through your phone to see if you've taken illegal pictures? Called anyone suspicious?

It's absolutely the exact same thing, and you are incorrect, sir/ma'am.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by RodgerTheGreat »

pierreozoux wrote: post #81
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't actually audit the hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code comprising an open source application stack you don't have a guarantee of what's happening either. Bugs like Heartbleed demonstrate that massive vulnerabilities can be introduced and persist in well-regarded open-source codebases for long periods of time without detection in spite of theoretical "millions of eyes". Heartbleed was, to t…

This is true, but for proprietary software it is way worse...

In proprietary software it's different. Proprietary software is less vulnerable to infusions of backdoors from untrusted sources and side channels. Proprietary software can only be audited by the developers themselves, and it will depend on the kinds of resources the developers can bring to bear directly. Companies that can afford it can dedicate large teams to reviewing and testing their codebases.

That open source code can be audited by third parties is only relevant if it actually happens, and otherwise you have only a false sense of security.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by nitrogen »

goodcanadian wrote: post #50
cyphunk wrote: post #35

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I hear this response often to the "i have nothing to hide" camp. Feels to me like we would have something better to say. Pointing to one thing most clearly wish to hide is just not a good comparison with the digital breadcrumbs we throw around. They dont compare. We have all come to accept that some people are able to know when you walk down the street past their store, if they wish. The bus driving is free to mental…

OK. Supposedly,I have no expectation of privacy when I am out in public. Certainly, anyone could see me go into a particular store. That is not the same as following me around everywhere and noting down everything I am doing. Most people would call that stalking. So what if I have nothing to hide? It is still creepy and inappropriate. This is my main objection to widespread surveillance cameras and an analogous argum…

As I've argued before, small, isolated public events become extremely private descriptions of our lives when aggregated.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by nitrogen »

saraid216 wrote: post #57
enraged_camel wrote: post #32

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Care to elaborate on the details of your most recent sexually-intimate encounter? ... That's what I thought. Everyone has something they don't want others to know.

I licked pussy. Since you're asking. I'm perfectly okay with others knowing that. Why do you want to shame me for that?

You are arguing for a world that might benefit you, will definitely benefit intelligence creepers, and would be considered by most human beings undesirable and downright hostile. Expect resistance.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by abandonliberty »

saraid216 wrote: post #56
abandonliberty wrote: post #38

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We need to get comfortable with the fact that having things to hide does not make us guilty, criminal, or unethical. Whether it's dick pictures, political views, or associations with questionable NSA targeted groups like UNICEF[1]. I argue that it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_...

I firmly disagree. Hiding things is a hack; the actual solution is to change society such that exposure entails no significant consequences. Sure, as a band-aid to make existing real people feel secure? Hiding things and keeping them hidden is fine. It's just an indicator of how far we as a society still have to go. Do remember: "it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy" is the exact ar…

Your suggestion is like arguing that we needn't worry about food production because we could have Star Trek replicators.

I would very much like to live in your utopia, but until then we have to handle the reality:

http://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believ...

I would love to know your thoughts on how to deal with our current situation.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by qbrass »

chinathrow wrote: post #29
pierreozoux wrote: post #20

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I was lazy to right a script to parse my server logs! But common, we are not using GoogleAnalytics :)

If you preach against tracking, the first rule is: do not track. do not store logs at all.

Unless you're trying to demonstrate why. It doesn't seem to be the case here, but you could probably get the point across better if you simply showed people how much information you could gather about them.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by [deleted] »

saraid216 wrote: post #56
abandonliberty wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to get comfortable with the fact that having things to hide does not make us guilty, criminal, or unethical. Whether it's dick pictures, political views, or associations with questionable NSA targeted groups like UNICEF[1]. I argue that it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_...

I firmly disagree. Hiding things is a hack; the actual solution is to change society such that exposure entails no significant consequences. Sure, as a band-aid to make existing real people feel secure? Hiding things and keeping them hidden is fine. It's just an indicator of how far we as a society still have to go. Do remember: "it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy" is the exact ar…

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Re: I have something to hide

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Post by ascagnel_ »

tertius wrote: post #76
ndarilek wrote: post #36

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All of the below examples aside, why not? Why should your wanting to hide something be any more sinister than what you want for dinner? And if you yourself don't have anything to hide, awesome. Is it not worth protecting my right to hide things should I want or need to? There are many reasons to desire privacy other than wanting or needing to hide something. The existence of this site does not invalidate those. But o…

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." "Guess what, I do have things to hide, and that shouldn't get stigmatized." The argument isn't about hiding things, it's about the right to privacy. The right exists whether you have something to hide or not or whether you like to swim or anything else that irrelevant. And if you don't "have anything to hide" your right doesn't automagically go away.

I disagree with the phrasing -- it shouldn't be about what you want to hide, it should be about what you want to show. I always go back to the same argument: if you're OK with the government recording absolutely everything, does that include the bedroom? The bathroom? I'm not doing anything illegal in there, but it's definitely not something I'd be OK with sharing with the world at large.

Re: I have something to hide

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Post by enraged_camel »

saraid216 wrote: post #57
enraged_camel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate on the details of your most recent sexually-intimate encounter? ... That's what I thought. Everyone has something they don't want others to know.

I licked pussy. Since you're asking. I'm perfectly okay with others knowing that. Why do you want to shame me for that?

>>I licked pussy. Since you're asking.

I said details. All you did was give us a summary.

For example, who was the lady? Would she be OK with you sharing this with the world?

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