81–90 of 106 posts
Is it OK for Employers to seek out employee they want? Yes, their business, their decision.
Take that, everyone other than straight white young men!
Is it OK for Employers to seek out employee they want? Yes, their business, their decision.
Is it OK for employers to discriminate based on criteria that the applicant can't reasonably change through education or training, like race or gender? Is that the same as discriminating based on age? Is 'digital native' HR-code for discriminating based on age?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could 'digital native' be used for discrimination? Sure. Is it inherently or obviously used that way? No, not likely. As to the first question, yeah, in many cases it's okay to discriminate based on factors out of the control of applicants. Many disabilities, for instance, will preclude you from many jobs.
Could 'digital native' be used for discrimination? Sure. Is it inherently or obviously used that way? No, not likely. 'Digital native', interpreted literally is nonsense - almost by definition it requires context to have meaning. We can't talk about meaning being 'inherent' or 'obvious' without figuring out the context. I think it's charmingly naive to think that a company advertising a job for a 'digital native' wou…
The parent made their comment in that context.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could 'digital native' be used for discrimination? Sure. Is it inherently or obviously used that way? No, not likely. 'Digital native', interpreted literally is nonsense - almost by definition it requires context to have meaning. We can't talk about meaning being 'inherent' or 'obvious' without figuring out the context. I think it's charmingly naive to think that a company advertising a job for a 'digital native' wou…
"Digital native" doesn't seem to violate any discrimination laws. It certainly doesn't equate to "black" or "female." The parent made their comment in that context.
What does "digital native" mean in the context of hiring? Does it mean age discrimination? I'm guessing that there are a lot of companies that are using it as a sort of 'job marketing', and that the intention is to specifically appeal to younger candidates. If so, then, in intention at least, it would be a violation of the 1967 Age Discrimination in Employment Act.
The parent made no such distinction, and what he said is literally wrong - that it's "their business" does not imply that it's "their decision". Or at the very least, there are constraints on how they make that decision. You can't systematically discriminate against capable candidates.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it OK for employers to discriminate based on criteria that the applicant can't reasonably change through education or training, like race or gender? Is that the same as discriminating based on age? Is 'digital native' HR-code for discriminating based on age?
Could 'digital native' be used for discrimination? Sure. Is it inherently or obviously used that way? No, not likely. As to the first question, yeah, in many cases it's okay to discriminate based on factors out of the control of applicants. Many disabilities, for instance, will preclude you from many jobs.
> Is it inherently or obviously used that way? No, not likely.
It inherently, from its coinage, refers to a particular subset of persons born in the media saturated age (it appears later to have evolved to more firmly post-1980, but the general features around its coinage would have nailed it near that time if not specifically at that point), which means that, if nothing else, it is inherently age-discriminatory.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it OK for employers to discriminate based on criteria that the applicant can't reasonably change through education or training, like race or gender? Is that the same as discriminating based on age? Is 'digital native' HR-code for discriminating based on age?
Define discriminate. I think you are using this word to cover up word "decide". It is his business. If he wants to hire only blond woman in their 20s - cool. But if he decides to hire based on skills rather than racial/age quotas or some ridiculous decisions - also cool. You cant change that, thats freedom of PRIVATE business.
Its not covering up -- discriminate and decide actually mean the same thing.
> It is his business. If he wants to hire only blond woman in their 20s - cool.
Age and gender discrimination are both (with some caveats) illegal in many jurisdictions, so, while you may find it "cool", it isn't necessarily legal.
> You cant change that, thats freedom of PRIVATE business.
Actually, you can change that, e.g., by adopting laws against age, race, and gender discrimination that apply to employers. Which lots of jurisdictions have.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system ("A bulletin board system, or BBS, is a computer server running custom software that allows users to connect to the system using a terminal program. Once logged in, the user can perform functions such as uploading and downloading software and data, reading news and bulletins, and exchanging messages with other users through email, public message boards, and sometimes…
I'd argue that the BBS is the earliest form of social media (or one of the earliest, at least).
The term "digital native" irks me for another reason, which is the presumption that younger people have a better understanding of technology than older people. Kids these days understand the Facebook and the Twitter, but they're deeply insulated from how computers actually work. One thing my wife pointed out to me is that her teenaged siblings have a lot more trouble finding things on Google than she does, because th…
> Kids these days understand the Facebook and the Twitter, but they're deeply insulated from how computers actually work. I agree and it reminds me of an excellent rant on that topic: http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-comput... .
Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Digital native" doesn't seem to violate any discrimination laws. It certainly doesn't equate to "black" or "female." The parent made their comment in that context.
"Digital native" doesn't seem to violate any discrimination laws. It certainly doesn't equate to "black" or "female." What does "digital native" mean in the context of hiring? Does it mean age discrimination? I'm guessing that there are a lot of companies that are using it as a sort of 'job marketing', and that the intention is to specifically appeal to younger candidates. If so, then, in intention at least, it would…
My mind doesn't necessarily equate to everyone else's mind.
You're taking the parent at his worst, when HN makes a concerted effort to take the best possible meaning.
You actually can systematically discriminate against capable candidates and virtually every hiring process is designed to do that in some form.
Really, I think you're just trolling here.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, Hackernews is basically pg's guestbook and it needs more MIDI.
Don't forget the visitor counter and the "men working" gif