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Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by runako » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:54 PM UTC

yummyfajitas wrote: post #17

The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce,...The imbalance has also forced women to rely on themselves — often alone... There is a pretty obvious solution to this problem which has been legal since 1967. It works well and the babies come out really cute. Weird how the NYT glosses that over...

OKCupid has explored the topic of interracial dating repeatedly using their dataset. The most(?) recent results are here:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

Relevant summary: Black women are subjected to substantial penalties in the dating market by men of other ethnicities. In fact, black women are the recipients of the highest inter-racial penalties of any racial pair measured by OkCupid.

(Although I generally agree with your point.)

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #48

infruset wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are starting from the assumption that it is normal that people date inside of their "race". This is an assumption that is very often made by Hollywood movies and which I find offensive, all the more because it is self-fulfilling: if you only see people of the same skin color dating one another, you're probably less likely to imagine yourself outside of the norm you perceive.

Your offense is of no concern to me. The stats back up that people prefer to date within their own race when they can. Ultimately I am just arguing that people's choice is important to the whole topic, if black women would prefer to date black men, pointing out that they could date white or asian men won't help the situation.

Actually you are wrong in this specific case. Okcupid has the data (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-...) which shows that black women are more likely to reply to men now of her own race (and white men are almost at the top).

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by DanBC » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

cloakandswagger wrote: post #28

guelo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That middle eastern hypothesis is wrong, offensive and off topic.

I think it's an interesting point. Even more interesting is your attempt to shut down the conversation because it offends you.

People don't trn and shut down these conversations because they're offensive. They try and sht them down because they're toxic.

Try wandering into any programming thread and talking nonsense about eg static typing then complaining about people trying to shut down the conversation.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by frandroid » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #30

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

China's neighbors would likely disagree about China only wanting to trade. They're very aggressively laying claim to large swaths of sea around the Philippines, Vietnam, and Malaysia that clearly do not belong to them. Annexing water territory that does not belong to them, is no different than China taking Tibet by force on the basis that they proclaim it belongs to them. As such it's clear that plenty of their extre…

Yichi, the Devil called, he doesn't need any more advocates.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

zoner wrote: post #58

Black women are unapproachable. Not sure why is that. Are white males not attractive in black women eyes? The effect is the reverse with white women as they tend to flirt with black man, hence the interracial children are mostly from black males and white females. I don't have a study to support this, but I do have personal experience.

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Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by venomsnake » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

soheil wrote: post #39

dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

How does this belong in HN? And have you looked at what those countries been put through by us? It's easy to believe media propaganda, but are you doing yourself or the world a favor by willfully ignoring the real geo-political reasons that caused so many crises in those regions?

Can you explain geo political reasons that lead to stoning for infidelity?

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by steveeq1 » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

zoner wrote: post #58

Black women are unapproachable. Not sure why is that. Are white males not attractive in black women eyes? The effect is the reverse with white women as they tend to flirt with black man, hence the interracial children are mostly from black males and white females. I don't have a study to support this, but I do have personal experience.

http://www.reddit.com/r/blackladies might provide a perspective on that. The general "feel" of this subreddit is that they're concerned about racism in an interracial date. The whole subreddit comes across as very anti-white.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by dothething » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

SovietDissident wrote: post #68

Moynihan in 1965, writing at the Labor Dept.: "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_... The welfare state and the drug war have had devastating effects on the U.S. black population. To take just one statistic, when Moynihan…

Correlation vs causation issues? Welfare is available to everyone, why would you say this is only affecting a certain race?

Seems more appropriate to look at other trends rather than a 1965 article.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by anoonmoose » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:57 PM UTC

Moshe_Silnorin wrote: post #38

hn_ wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They weren't glossing over it. The majority of people (black and otherwise) look for romantic partners that are much like themselves. That means same race, same ethnicity, same socioeconomic status, same religion, same sort of background (upbringing, culture, values, etc.). There are conscious and subconscious and cultural reasons why it may be desirable for people to do this and it is pretty socially acceptable to o…

>The majority of people (black and otherwise) look for romantic partners that are much like themselves. This doesn't seem to be the case in Canada. My sister is married to an Indian fellow. My girlfriend was born in Xiamen. During high school a huge percentage of relationships were mixed race. Canada is a melting pot and it seems to work well.

According to Wikipedia: "In Canada, 2011, 4.6% of all civil unions are interracial ones, an 18% increase from 2006 (3.9%), and a 77% increase from 1991 (2.6%)."[1]

Same article claims that in the US in 2010 the rate was 8.4%.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage#Canada

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:57 PM UTC

chaostheory wrote: post #36

dataker wrote: post #19

Will this have an effect on U.S diversity ? In a way, it may foster more interracial relationships on affected areas

I can't find the study to cite, but if I remember correctly an old study found that while most males of all ethnicities are open to relationships with females of different ethnicities given attractive qualities are sufficient (I could be wrong but only physical attraction was measured in this study); they found that most females tend to only go for males within their own ethnic group. The exception was Asian women wi…

Ok cupid suggest that black women are rather likely to answer back to white men who write to her (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-...), moreso than black men who write to her.