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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by gerty »

zz1 wrote: post #9
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

OVH seems to be turning back on their threats. In his Twitter, Octave Klaba modestly announced that everything is OK now after an amendment 437 was added.

This is largely disputed: http://www.numerama.com/magazine/32806-boites-noires-le-gouv...

Black boxes are still there. Some light safeguards are added, notably approval of Prime Minister, but it still remains quite vague.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by ddoolin »

dagw wrote: post #45
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

Why would they want it to pass? What benefit are they reaping from such a thing?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by sheensleeves »

pikzen wrote: post #14

La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

Just a word of caution. Sometimes I read "OffTheRecord" chatlogs that have been posted on Cryptome.

A false sense of security can be more risky business than weak security, as pertains to what gets exposed.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by fiatjaf »

eloisant wrote: post #34
koalaman wrote: post #24

Just curious, is this different from what the nsa is doing in the US?

Well, the NSA was really pissed when Snowden revealed they did it secretly but France is passing a law to do it officially.

That only means the french people are more socialist and open to oppressive government acts than US people are.

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Post by cm2187 »

Aissen wrote: post #70
cm2187 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Then you don't really believe in democracy, and I have to disagree.

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Post by pfortuny »

ddoolin wrote: post #82
dagw wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

Why would they want it to pass? What benefit are they reaping from such a thing?

It is a law against TERROR: you cannot oppose it!

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by agumonkey »

realityking wrote: post #76
agumonkey wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if being open and going through the legal means is better than secretly spying.

If that's the only two alternatives, it's absolutely preferably to it being in the open. This at least allows to have an open discussion like it's worthy of democracy.

I agree but there's always a tiny 'ignorance is bliss' ring in my head while I'm thinking about it.
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