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Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by amyjess »

digi_owl wrote: post #71
dagw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was working at a place trying to do smartphone type stuff with symbian way before it was cool and have been a MeeGo fan since the days when it was called Maemo so I'm about as a big a fanboy of both as they come. But the truth is that Symbian had simply been stagnant for too long and would never catch up and MeeGo for all its potential was just another platform with even less backing than WP and even less ready to…

Symbian may have been stagnant, but unless you are a Wall Street day trader you didn't much care. Symbian could demo capabilities that iOS and Android are just now sprouting (and the press is going gaga about it as if it is something completely new groan ).

My best friend got an E90 shortly after it came out. I was so jealous of him for ages.

The dialer was particularly awesome. It was the first time I saw a dialer that a) had untrained voice dialing and b) had vocal caller ID.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by sirkneeland »

pavlov wrote: post #18

Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

Nokia also designed the hardware and wrote the software for the N1, so i wouldn't call it a traditional brand licensing thing a la Kodak/Polaroid.

I should know, I was PM on it.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by alphadevx »

Maakuth wrote: post #48
alphadevx wrote: post #39

I'm curious to know what this means for a potential Palm revival now, given this: http://www.webosnation.com/its-confirmed-tcl-bringing-back-p...

Very likely nothing at all. Isn't TCL just an Alcatel brand licensee? So it's not connected to Alcatel-Lucent in other ways than the name. edit: question mark

Actually I'm sure you're right, it seems TCL is a separate company based in China.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by digi_owl »

yrlson wrote: post #79
digi_owl wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A new standard in "feed me entertainment!" perhaps. At launch of iPhone Nokia had featurephones that were more capable.

You are maybe talking past each other a little. It wasn't case the case that the phones just lacked an app store. What really sucked about Nokia's symbian phones was the UI and the price tag. Now that's the fault of dysfunction within Nokia and not the fault of Symbian per se, but the fact remains if Nokia had just switched to Android it would likely still exist as a mobile phone company.

The argument against going Android was to avoid being another "me to" company. Back then the mantra of the Nokia leadership was "differentiation" (it was basically their response to why they could not open source the power management on the N800).

And if one look at the current Android market, they may be right. Samsung is only where it is right now because of a massive marketing push in the last few years.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by PopsiclePete »

Aoyagi wrote: post #11
vnglst wrote: post #5

I don't really understand how this works. Microsoft bought Nokia for about $7B[1] and now Nokia pays more than twice that amount for Alcatel? Where is this money coming from and why is Alcatel worth so much more? [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-closes-nokia-acquis...

Don't forget that Microsoft('s lackey) took care of lowering their value as much as possible before buying the Devices and Services unit for some spare change.

Nokia were doing awesome right until then! I fricking loved Symbian, so much better than Android/iOS. Oh. wait, no, it actually was complete garbage. But yes, Elop ruined their kick-ass smartphones. Gimme a break.

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Post by tellarin »

digi_owl wrote: post #68
specialp wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are better off not selling handsets anymore. Even Samsung and Apple will start to feel massive pressure on their margins sometime soon. Handset technology is leveling off and generic manufacturers are getting better at making them. It is much like what had happen to HDTVs recently. Sure there is "the ecosystem", but with Android the white box manufacturers get that for free too. So yes Nokia squandered a huge le…

I dunno about Apple, Unless Huawei or similar manages to grab the media attention in the same way but at a quarter of the price. Hell, Samsung basically had to go on a marketing blitz to get where they are right now.

Xiaomi seems to be taking the right steps to get there.

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Post by greyfox »

sirkneeland wrote: post #83
pavlov wrote: post #18

Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

Nokia also designed the hardware and wrote the software for the N1, so i wouldn't call it a traditional brand licensing thing a la Kodak/Polaroid. I should know, I was PM on it.

I am glad to see Nokia still making strides in any/all areas they can, i love their phones, still do but dont own one for obvious reasons,
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