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Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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What evidence did these 2 agents provide?

For one thing, the entire Maryland hitman case collapses if you can't use anything Force touched, because he ran it from start to finish as Nob.

No doubt the case they were working is probably tanked, but my question was meant to be pointed more towards the trial that's already happened, where evidence has been presented (past tense).

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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I wonder if the government buried this until after the Ulbricht trial was over. The fact that two of the investigators were corrupt and stealing funds could have derailed the case.

This was pretty deliberately buried, yes. I've been going through the evidence exhibits for the trial, and in retrospect, knowing what I know now, it's remarkable how carefully chosen exhibits are to hide all the traces on Ulbricht's end: for example, due to redaction failures, we know all the mentions of French Maid were scrubbed by prosecution; his journal is carefully chosen to start after Chronicpain was busted a…

What do you mean by buried? I think it's fairly obvious why the prosecutor would choose not to present this evidence if the case could be made without it. The prosecution isn't required to present everything at trial.

I guess there's the question of whether the prosecution provided it to the defense or not, though I'm not sure how that would help. Ulbricht was sticking with the claim he wasn't running the site at the time, no? Seems irrelevant that some bad agents stole from the site he wasn't running.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Bitcoin seems to make everyone crazy. I guess if you're prone to theft and dishonesty, it must be tough to look at a folder on some confiscated PC with files worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and not take them. Seems like everyday police corruption, like how drug dealers busted with thousands of dollars suddenly have a evidence locker inventory with zero cash. I'm glad the system is working, at least to…

Bitcoins make everything so tempting.

Or maybe I should say, bitcoins make stealing so tempting -- at a personal level.

Maybe it's the mixing of these DIY technologies with money -- all these scams feel within reach -- just about anybody can easily steal money, where as in the non-digital world, stealing too hard...

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Drug enforcement officers on the take shocker. I though this was common knowledge. Arrest and find 2 lbs and $20k, person gets charged with 1 lb and $10k

The twist being, Bitcoin is so far from even pseudo-anonymous that stealing the cash would have been much, much smarter. The Blockchain, it turns out, is the least anonymous way to transact. All your ledger made public forever, what could possibly go wrong? Sure, with perfectly clean CoinJoins, mixing, etc. you might possibly be able to hide the coins, for a little while. Just don't ever try to actually, you know, sp…

This is something I'm still wrapping my head around because I've read that Bitcoin tumblers are effective. But it's like you said: all transactions are public.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The twist being, Bitcoin is so far from even pseudo-anonymous that stealing the cash would have been much, much smarter. The Blockchain, it turns out, is the least anonymous way to transact. All your ledger made public forever, what could possibly go wrong? Sure, with perfectly clean CoinJoins, mixing, etc. you might possibly be able to hide the coins, for a little while. Just don't ever try to actually, you know, sp…

This is something I'm still wrapping my head around because I've read that Bitcoin tumblers are effective. But it's like you said: all transactions are public.

Any kind of structuring or splitting is an obstacle but not an insurmountable one. And crucially: it is strong evidence for knowing that you're up to something illegal.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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You think evidence that Ulbricht bribed someone to get intelligence on another DEA investigation is going to help him? I mean: they'll probably appeal no matter what, because what do they have to lose at this point.

It's hardly bribery if the other party isn't acting in an official capacity. Fake authority has probably been a ploy of scammers and fraudsters since they existed. On the other hand, I'm sure theres a major problem for the government here if the guy signing seizures is doing so for his own illicit gain.

> It's hardly bribery if the other party isn't acting in an official capacity.

You can't be an officer in a case and not be acting in an official capacity at the same time. It's not like you go home at 17:00 sharp and then turn around to the people that you just spent time with as an official and pretend that didn't happen.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Except these agents were a separate investigation and their evidence wasn't included in the trial.

It's relevant though. Missing information is just as important as provided information when it comes to the law. That's what they mean when they say the whole truth .

If Officer A arrests you for a DUI and speeding on Day X...the actions of Officer B on Day Y for a separate DUI case is irrelevant.

The "missing information" as you put it, is related to a murder-for-hire trial that is separate from the Ulbricht-ran-Silk-Road trial.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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I encourage everyone with interest in the overall story to actually read the complaint. It's astonishing. It appears that these two Federal agents were doing far, far more than just grabbing some excess bitcoins that were lying around and they figured nobody would miss. It reads more like a purposeful organized crime effort, involving setting up dummy shell companies, forging letters from the government, being involv…

Here's a link to the the complaint: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/force-001.pdf
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