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Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ithkuil »

ars wrote: post #74
kps wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their main competitor, Adorama, is also owned by Hasidic Jews, but lets people file web orders, considering it sufficient to not processes those orders until later.

It's clear you are not allowed to transact business on the Shabbat. But is your computer allowed to? Not so clear. Different Rabbi's have ruled differently, that's why they are different. Some say don't take any transactions at all, other say it's fine to collect the info, but don't actually bill. Letting the computer serve web pages is fine though, computers don't have to keep the Shabbat. The issue of business is t…

I'm _I_ collecting the money when a third party (or automated process) deposits it on my bank account?

It would be the equivalent of delegating that responsibility to a non-jew. I don't know how would that be ruled, but I remember reading that it's allowed to let non-jew servants perform tasks on the sabbath, though I have no idea if it's accepted by the Hasidics.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars »

wolfgke wrote: post #61
StavrosK wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same can be applied to everything, so God wants there to be sin. If God wanting sin to exist means that sin is fine, why are the loopholes necessary? Just sin. If God wanting sin to exist doesn't mean that sin is fine, then loopholes may also not be fine, even though they exist.

Couldn't it be, that God wants sin to exist, so that he can punish sinful people (come on, it's probably lots of fun for him ;-) )?

The Talmud specifically asks why God created sin and the answer is so that God can reward people.

Do you enjoy punishing people? Or do you enjoy doing nice things for people? Why would you think God would be worse?

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars »

IvyMike wrote: post #6

Possibly related: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/21/us/brooklyn-fire-children-kill... TL;DR: Tragic fire caused by a hot plate left on overnight so that it could be used to warm food on the Sabbath.

Oh my God, that's horrible!

That looks like it was caused by not having any smoke detectors :(

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars »

kazinator wrote: post #18

Your body regenerates new cells all the time; that is creative work (certainly, if closing a switch counts as such). I think what you need is a Sabbath cryogenic chamber, so that you don't commit such transgressions as growing stubble.

There is a specific list of what counts as creative. You can't just randomly add others because it seems similar to you.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by DanBC »

freehunter wrote: post #3

Clever hack, but if you're coming up with ways to circumvent your religion's practices, are you really still practicing your religion?

I've found the people on http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions respond well to polite questions. I've learnt a lot - mostly when I'm planning something to not worry about the rules and to just ask the person involved.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars »

kazinator wrote: post #21
judah wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there are some elevators in Israel that do this on shabbat.

What if you push the button really slowly, so that it's a thermodynamically an adiabatic process? As you release the button equally slowly, it does an equal amount of work on you. The process has been thermodynamically reversed, so all is cool! (The irreversible state change in the button-driven machine, arguably, increased entropy, though, ouch. Maybe not!)

There is a leniency for indirectly causing things to happen. The details of when the leniency is permitted to be used are pretty complicated.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars »

cssmoo wrote: post #31
k__ wrote: post #25

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You have to slip and fall on the button.

Can you ask someone to press it for you?

In general no. Non-Jews are not required to keep the Shabbat, but Jews can not ask them to do things for them.

There are two exceptions, one is in the case of urgency that is not life threatening (for example a cold baby in a house with the heat off). (If it was life threatening than you just do it yourself.)

The second is you can hint to the non-Jews. For example say: It's so dark in here. Then the non-Jew is doing it for himself and not for you, and it's permitted. However doing this is discouraged except when it's important.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars »

krebby wrote: post #33

This app[0] made the rounds last year and caused a bit of a stir: it keeps your android phone's battery at a constant state, prevents the screen from turning off, and flips the screen orientation, all of which from a disconnected interpretation of halacha should be permissible. Problem is, any touch to the screen completes a circuit (one of the prohibited categories of work) so the whole thing is a bit ridiculous any…

That site/app likes like satire to me, not a real app.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by shmerl »

freehunter wrote: post #3

Clever hack, but if you're coming up with ways to circumvent your religion's practices, are you really still practicing your religion?

It's not a circumvention. It's exactly practicing it.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by shmerl »

chimeracoder wrote: post #5

Somewhat related: B&H, an electronics store in New York owned by Hasidic Jews not only closes its brick & mortar store on Saturdays, but its website as well: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ Screenshot for anyone looking at this after 8:30 EDT today: https://i.imgur.com/XvZHDXA.png

I guess they do proper timezone detection?
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