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Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#81
post #68

The lack of empathy on display here is astonishing. Is this quality a prerequisite to participating in the luckier side of the wealth-gap of silicon valley?

Consider the audience, who will overwhelmingly shift to problem-solving mode. Empathy feels nice but doesn't provide a roof or full bellies.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#82

This may not be the most popular thing to say, but ... Just move? If you are the head of a large household living in an area where the cost of living is too high to support your dependents, you would do a whole lot of good for them and yourself by starting new in some other part of the country. At the very least it would be wise to relocate across the Bay. I realize that people have families, social networks, and sma…

Thanks for illustrating the attitudes that make these kinds of situations possible.

I've moved plenty in my life, both as a child and as an adult. The most common reason people don't move is because they are afraid to leave the social circles. And what a lot of people don't realize is that their their social circles may not actually be that strong anymore now that they have become adults and had children... which then it just comes down to them being afraid or "just don't want to".

Of course there are an infinite number of other factors involved, especially when money is thrown into it, but this has been my experience when talking with people.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#83
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving is expensive too. If you're hand-to-mouth poor, you cannot afford a rental truck, let alone time off work and still feed your children. You will probably lose your job if you move, and not find another one where you land, especially if you're in the service industry. Good luck with that East bay -> peninsula commute on your minimum wage. The reason many cannot get jobs other places is due to felonies or other…

When times are tough, moving does not need to be expensive. Before I moved to SV, I sold or donated everything I couldn't fit in two suitcases. I moved into an affordable house where I share a bedroom with 3 other people. I would be able to make rent with only $20k/year. I know not everybody can divorce themselves from all of their belongings, especially large families. Additionally, I didn't have to worry about scho…

Selling all your belongings to move to SV when you're single, educated, and high employment chances is not as similar as you feel. I know you probably struggled to make it happen, and I'm not trying to understate that.. but that sounds completely different than poverty.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#84

This may not be the most popular thing to say, but ... Just move? If you are the head of a large household living in an area where the cost of living is too high to support your dependents, you would do a whole lot of good for them and yourself by starting new in some other part of the country. At the very least it would be wise to relocate across the Bay. I realize that people have families, social networks, and sma…

Getting the poor out of the city won't be easy. They don't have enough capital to fund a relocation on their own. The government will probably need to ship them out on rail cars. Once the undesirables vacate their homes, those structures can be replaced with housing more fitting for the well-off residents of the city.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you! I can see how one might feel 'just move' is a good argument, but really NO! In chinatowns all over the country, whenever low-income residents are being priced out, the argument is always 'you can just find another place to stay'. They've lived there for decades, if not more. That's where all the people they know are. They are poor but they do have a support system, that lives with them. When they move away…

> some people feel VERY STRONGLY emotionally about where they live Those feelings are a luxury. Taxpayers should not be forced to bear the cost of someone's emotional attachments. I would prefer tax dollars be spent on relocation assistance + job placement to help get people on a sustainable path.

Grapes of Wrath, iPhone edition.

edit - it seems strange that many well paid technocrats will happily hold sway on the possibilities of sea-steading, or building fusion reactors, or anything involving a giant laser, or suchlike, but throw up their hands and declare the problem of houses for the poor people they or their workforce are displacing to be an insurmountable fact of the economy that can only be solved by the poor people moving to somewhere that hasn't yet become cool. And to be utterly cynical about the whole thing, if rich folk really want to build a city on a hill, they probably shouldn't price out all the trades if they want it to function in the long run.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#86
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please elaborate. I'm not well versed in the world of policy. How can I push for these changes? What are the changes?

In SF, building regulations includes very powerful neighborhood groups with the ability to make arbitrary changes to projects. The net result of their involvement tends to be less housing at higher cost. There are also many areas zoned for a maximum height of zero feet. As for how to be involved, start by looking up who your city councilperson is. Talking to them would be a good start.

> There are also many areas zoned for a maximum height of zero feet.

The smartass in me wants to say, "then build subterranean homes/buildings" :)

Would suck in terms of natural lighting but it would be nice to see the faces of people who want those zones to be like that.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#87

This may not be the most popular thing to say, but ... Just move? If you are the head of a large household living in an area where the cost of living is too high to support your dependents, you would do a whole lot of good for them and yourself by starting new in some other part of the country. At the very least it would be wise to relocate across the Bay. I realize that people have families, social networks, and sma…

I was sitting here trying to figure out how to say basically the same thing. Growing up my dad had a good job but we never were able to afford to live in $NEAREST_METRO_AREA, so we always lived a commute away -- sometimes a long commute away. Charity idea: provide moving & job placement help to get homeless or nearly homeless families into lower cost of living areas. I always have mixed feelings about stories like th…

Being a parent I have tons of empathy for how hard life is for single parents.

That said, I really lost a lot of sympathy for the woman in the garage though, kids are hugely expensive (about a quarter million dollars to raise them to 18) and I just can't understand how she thought having a second kid would improve her situation. Obviously it could have been an accident or similar, but damn, maybe now isn't the right time for a second kid!

I'm probably just a first world asshole with no sense of what it must be like in her position.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#88

I don't think the solution is as simple as 'building more housing'(aka giving permits). It would drive down the prices somewhat, but what's to stop more engineers from moving in/shortening their own commutes etc? I think the term we're looking for is 'build low-income housing'. That would make it more likely that people who need it get it.

Because engineers aren't moving here for the amazing housing. They're moving here for the jobs. If you're increasing housing, that doesn't affect the jobs available. It would decrease demand on housing without increasing demand by engineers.

Re: Poor Kids of Silicon Valley

#89
post #49

That's a hard problem to tackle at a national level without the dreaded Socialism.

Correct. There is a religious libertarian belief that somehow changing zoning laws will "fix" the problem. No numbers are ever given (maybe prices would stay level for a few years) And no one notices that the extremely dense housing of Manhattan did not make Manhattan cheap.

If they want to fix the problem they'd need large tracts of very high grade housing rented non-profit, (never sold) on government land. The competition from this would drive prices through the floor.

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