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My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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EVERYONE does a horrible job recruiting. I think a very low number of companies are doing this correctly. The thing about the process is one bad moment spoils the entire process for the candidate. Shallow/No responses, or horrible questions, or something unprofessional being said during the interview. It's not just $AAPL it is everyone, but if you are an interviewer or a recruiter, please fight for the candidates to…

$AAPL ? Why not “Apple”?

It's the stock symbol.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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Well, there have been a few instances in the past where I've been desperate to hire and I've brought people in against my better judgement. I can tell you it sucks having to look someone in the eye and let them go because they couldn't keep up with the rest of the team. Once you've had to do it a few times as a manager, you become more conservative with your hiring. Sure, pushing pixels around is easy, but when you'r…

When you're up against such a deadline, your manager has failed you, not the other way around.

Companies shouldn't have deadlines?

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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I notice several comments about culture fit and not clicking with interviewers, but it's worth keeping in mind that there isn't always a "reason" for not getting an offer. Not related to the candidate, that is. Job openings sometimes disappear for random internal reasons, or there may have been another candidate for the same position who was objectively a much better fit. I feel you have to look at job interviews lik…

In some ways they have similarities with social dates, first dates. You can feel a bit nervous, might feel intimidated; did you say the right things, did you handle yourself well. Everyone says, be yourself. It's the same for job interviews, be yourself. Be prepared, show interest, don't be overconfident, etc. And like first dates, you can do all the right things, etc. And you think things went well, but, you find ou…

"Be yourself" is misleading advice, there are a bunch of things you need to do in an interview that aren't natural for anybody.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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I'm not prepared to get into my experiences at Apple much beyond the surface level that I touched upon, for a few reasons, but I left for the same reason everybody does. I was offered a career-advancing opportunity to prepend senior to my title and help build out a small startup that's going places and really making a name for themselves. Apple, like Google, has already "won" (for lack of a better word) and while a p…

Great answer. Could Steve Jobs himself succeed at a company like Apple as an employee? I doubt it. But that is the question.

Jobs could not have succeeded as an employee anywhere. It's just the way he was wired.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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$AAPL ? Why not “Apple”?

It's shorthand on Twitter to refer to a company: https://twitter.com/search?q=%24AAPL&src=typd

In this case, it's the same number of characters as the longhand.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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The lack of explanation about why they didn't hire you is completely normal in California. Saying nothing at all ensures they don't say anything that can be interpreted as discrimination, minimizing their legal exposure.

They have nothing to gain by explaining and plenty to lose if they say something stupid.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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When you're up against such a deadline, your manager has failed you, not the other way around.

Companies shouldn't have deadlines?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's the manager's job to secure enough time for a product to get developed by the team or reduce the scope of what's going to be developed by working with whomever is setting these deadlines. If you need to magically speed up your development to meet the deadline or work extra hours, the manager has failed at doing the above, something that's a core part of his job. In some really bad companies, the manager won't have a choice in doing either, and you're in a situation where the deadline was simply unreasonable. In those cases, I can excuse the manager. Mostly though, deadlines are artificial and it really doesn't matter if they're met or not. Even if it does matter, the manager is getting paid a whole lot of money to manage both the team and the expectations of those who care about the deadlines. Making the team work overtime is thus a complete failure on his part both to the team and to those above him.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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We live in an age of inversion. Many things are the opposite of what makes sense. - You have to interview, and prove you're worthy, to become a slave - You have to pay to look at ads (ever been to a movie theater, or sat in a plane with screens in front of you?) - You have to pay to get cancer (ever buy a cigarette?) It's interesting, because the other way makes way more sense. If you're going to be a slave, you shou…

>> You have to interview, and prove you're worthy, to become a slave... If you're going to be a slave, you should get to pick where.

Being a slave means performing involuntary work without pay. Having a job means performing voluntary work for pay. I'm not sure how you're conflating the two. Also, you do get to pick where you work.

>> You have to pay to look at ads (ever been to a movie theater, or sat in a plane with screens in front of you?)... You should be paid to look at ads.

On the contrary, those ads offset the cost of your movie or your flight. Just because they don't completely cover your cost doesn't change the basic tradeoff that's going on.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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EVERYONE does a horrible job recruiting. I think a very low number of companies are doing this correctly. The thing about the process is one bad moment spoils the entire process for the candidate. Shallow/No responses, or horrible questions, or something unprofessional being said during the interview. It's not just $AAPL it is everyone, but if you are an interviewer or a recruiter, please fight for the candidates to…

I agree that most companies get it wrong, but what is right? It seems like interviewing and recruiting is a field dominated by "sounds right, common sense" styles of thinking (like most HR) where there is no post-mortem of how well a candidate did in the next 6-24 months. Even if you look at most MBA programs, the stuff on recruiting and interviewing aren't as research and evidence based as you would expect, and inst…

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Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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Note: after 25 minutes answering questions for a job you really want it’s kinda hard to shift to a question-asking mode. When I was looking for a job I found that it helped enormously to write down a set of questions ahead of time. Some I liked: What does a typical day look like for you? What projects do you work on? How long have you been at $company? How has your role changed since then? If I were hired for this ro…

If I were to start interviewing for a position now, I think the last thing on my mind would be trying to find out 'right' questions to ask. I'm either really interested in the position being offered or I'm not. If I am, I've already got tons of questions borne straight out of that interest. If not, I'm looking for the quickest exit I can make without burning any bridges. I don't want to waste time any more than Apple does.

The author got it right when he mentioned at the end that he was "talking to the people who implemented the original OSX UI". That's the sort of thing that would make me interested in working for you. Personally, I don't care about a company's 'interview process'. That's just filler crap they use to get people talking. I don't need help to get me talking about what I do. I'll answer questions, but as soon as I can, I'll be grilling you about all kinds of stuff. I'm in question-asking mode by default.

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