Important rejoinder: http://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8051367/obesity-snacks
The underlying issue with overeating isn't large meals, it's snacks. So sure, Chipotle's meals are big, but that's not the root of the problem.
At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
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Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#82No mention of one of the most unhealthy components of the meal, carbohydrates? I think the average burrito clocks in at around 120 carbs
Carbohydrates are most certainly not 'unhealthy'. Care to cite any sources?
See Taubes, Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It (http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259)
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#83My question has always been how accurate these calorie counts are. I always get a burrito bowl with no sour cream, which allegedly comes out to 655 calories. But I'm not entirely sure how accurate that is - I usually have to tell the person "a little cheese," because when I don't, they often put a mountain of cheese atop the bowl (probably an extra 100 calories or so).
This is the most important point here.
For my meals out, I prefer to eat at restaurants which publish nutrition information, but I'm under no illusions that these values are anything more than rough guidance. The core of the problem is in employee training. I find that even restaurants which make an effort to publish nutrition info don't bother to adequately train employees to serve the expected amounts of food.
Your cheese example is a good one. Based solely on anecdotal evidence, I'd wager most people who order cheese at Chipotle end up being served 1.5-3x the intended serving size due to generous and unmeasured portions. I love cheese as much as the next guy, but an extra few hundred unexpected calories adds up very quickly. This also renders any analysis of nutritional value misleading if not useless.
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
So are you saying insulin + caloric surplus is what causes weight gain? It seems obvious to me that many people handle different types of food differently. For example carbohydrates are going to affect a diabetic differently than someone without out diabetes. Another point is that many bodybuilders are now using insulin to gain weight. They already eat a ton of calories but the hormone itself seems to improve the abi…
Nope, I'm saying in a normally functioning human being caloric surplus period is what causes gaining weight. The insulin response is something that has gained a lot of popularity recently because people like complex explanations, but the truth is, as I said, it's pretty inconsequential outside of behavioral impact. It's not that it's not involved, it's that you don't need to understand or manipulate it to gain/lose w…
"In my opinion it's a really stupid idea, though when you consider the trash many body builders put in their bodies it's probably less scary than a lot of the supplements and prohormones out there."
As someone who has used T, insulin is much more scary. At least with T it's been used for decades, we know how to mitigate the risks and handle side effects. You could easily kill yourself not knowing what you are doing with insulin, or probably make yourself diabetic. These oral prohormones are scary too mostly because of liver toxicity and because people could buy them without really knowing it (when they were/are sold at places like GNC).
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#85As a Mexican living in Mexico, I really like chipotle, I eat one every time I'm in the US, they are the greatest mix of American and Mexican food, still I don't understand why there aren't authentic "Taquerias" (taco shops) in the US, I haven't met a foreigner that doesn't love tacos from our taquerias that you can find in every corner in Mexico City. The closest I ever tried was at a Taco Truck in LA, but that was j…
> still I don't understand why there aren't authentic "Taquerias" (taco shops) in the US,
In most of California and the parts of the Southwest I've been to, taquerias are very common.
> The closest I ever tried was at a Taco Truck in LA, but that was just one food truck.
If you were in L.A. and you couldn't find taquerias, you weren't looking very hard (or you had a bad guide.)
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#86Calories are a very broad way to measure what we need in terms of food. Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. I cook most of the food I eat, but I take calories into account very broadly, more narrowly when I diet. Just to say, 1000 kcal might be half day worth of your energy needs on paper, in reality it's much more complex than that. In fact, if you are eating decent food…
> Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%.
Assuming that's a typo and you mean 2000-2500 at 50-60% carbs, that's not at all as implausible as some response seem to make it seem -- if it has an effect on your activity level. Its not implausible that a subtle effect that doesn't even consciously register could make a 500 calorie difference for someone who isn't actively tracking activity (a 1000 calorie difference is less likely without noticing the activity impact.)
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want to look up a source offhand, especially since it would require some reading between the lines, but, 56% of NFL players are obese (97% are overweight), according to BMI guidelines. Going on the same "that doesn't sound right" criteria, saying they're less healthy than a skinny, sedentary person just because they have more muscle (and possibly more fat, but after all, BMI doesn't distinguish) doesn't sound…
> 56% of NFL players are obese... Going on the same "that doesn't sound right" criteria, saying they're less healthy than a skinny, sedentary person just because they have more muscle (and possibly more fat, but after all, BMI doesn't distinguish) doesn't sound right to me. It doesn't sound right to you because it isn't correct. NFL players, as a general rule, are not obese. Obesity is an excess of fat, by both the c…
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=16...
"STANDARD DEFINITIONS OF OBESITY, which are based on height and weight, may not apply to former National Football League players and other groups with greater muscle mass, according to a new study"
Emphasis mine.
From your own quotation, "typically indicated by a body mass index of 30 or greater"
Body mass index. BMI. BMI being height and weight. A la http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmic...
Ergo, a standard definition of obesity is calculated by height and weight, deemed 'BMI', which does not take muscle mass into account. Which is what my post states. BMI would state they're obese, and that says little about their actual health.
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 56% of NFL players are obese... Going on the same "that doesn't sound right" criteria, saying they're less healthy than a skinny, sedentary person just because they have more muscle (and possibly more fat, but after all, BMI doesn't distinguish) doesn't sound right to me. It doesn't sound right to you because it isn't correct. NFL players, as a general rule, are not obese. Obesity is an excess of fat, by both the c…
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=16... "STANDARD DEFINITIONS OF OBESITY, which are based on height and weight, may not apply to former National Football League players and other groups with greater muscle mass, according to a new study" Emphasis mine. From your own quotation, "typically indicated by a body mass index of 30 or greater" Body mass index. BMI. BMI being height and weight. A la ht…
That's not correct.
Obesity IS an excess of fat
Obesity IS INDICATED BY a high BMI
What that means is that when you see a high BMI there's a really good chance you're seeing obesity. But since obesity is defined as excess fat, the unusual cases where BMI doesn't correlate are exceptions to a rule. It should not surprise that professional athletes have bodies that are unusual and exceptional.
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=16... "STANDARD DEFINITIONS OF OBESITY, which are based on height and weight, may not apply to former National Football League players and other groups with greater muscle mass, according to a new study" Emphasis mine. From your own quotation, "typically indicated by a body mass index of 30 or greater" Body mass index. BMI. BMI being height and weight. A la ht…
That's not correct. Obesity IS an excess of fat Obesity IS INDICATED BY a high BMI What that means is that when you see a high BMI there's a really good chance you're seeing obesity. But since obesity is defined as excess fat, the unusual cases where BMI doesn't correlate are exceptions to a rule. It should not surprise that professional athletes have bodies that are unusual and exceptional.
Have you ignored the context?
"an obese person who can run a mile is considered healthier than a skinny person who can't for example Do you have a link or data to support that idea? Genuinely curious, as that doesn't sound right to me."
to which I replied
"56% of NFL players are obese (97% are overweight), according to BMI guidelines."
What exactly have you said that disagrees with that? I -agree- that ~real~ obesity, as is generally referred to, is based on fat percentage; I never said otherwise. What I said, very explicitly, was that an NFL who is considered obese ACCORDING TO BMI GUIDELINES (which are used very frequently by layman and health official alike when discussing nutrition and exercise) is actually pretty healthy; the original post questioned whether someone could be obese, able to run a mile, and still be healthier than someone who is skinny but not physically fit enough to run a mile. I addressed that with the qualifier of 'according to BMI' included.
Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?
#90As a Mexican living in Mexico, I really like chipotle, I eat one every time I'm in the US, they are the greatest mix of American and Mexican food, still I don't understand why there aren't authentic "Taquerias" (taco shops) in the US, I haven't met a foreigner that doesn't love tacos from our taquerias that you can find in every corner in Mexico City. The closest I ever tried was at a Taco Truck in LA, but that was j…
> still I don't understand why there aren't authentic "Taquerias" (taco shops) in the US, In most of California and the parts of the Southwest I've been to, taquerias are very common. > The closest I ever tried was at a Taco Truck in LA, but that was just one food truck. If you were in L.A. and you couldn't find taquerias, you weren't looking very hard (or you had a bad guide.)
You are maybe right, when I was in LA I wasn't actively searching for taquerias, although I ate at couple of them , like I said the most authentic tacos were the ones from a taco truck.