Does it include IM rather than just video/audio chat?
no, unfortunately :(
well that's a real bummer. I was hoping for a decent Skype replacement.
Firefox Hello
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Re: Firefox Hello
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personal experience is not FUD. I'm not a user, but all I've heard about Telefonica is complaints and grievances. They were also the ISP which forced a caching proxy on its ADSL users, breaking a lot of sites. Granted that was a few years ago.
"Lack of service for hours every day", is that a personal experience? Telefonica was providing services in villages and small towns with very difficult geography (mountains, roads, ...). Now there is a big competition in Spain, for example Jazztel is offering 200Gigabit/s up-down for 36 euros/moth and phone tax included. Our country is getting better in the IT sector and telefonica was the pioneer. It is easy to crit…
I can't see the reply button for the comment down this.
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Re: Firefox Hello
#83A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple
I agree in theory. In practice you have to be pragmatic enough to recognize that the situation is not that simple and that getting rid of closed solutions like skype can only be done if there is a massive initial population "forced" into the network.
Re: Firefox Hello
#84Do they have the specs anywhere on their encryption?
Here's a good summary:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/rtcweb-13.pdf
The peer-to-peer WebRTC connection uses DTLS+SRTP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datagram_Transport_Layer_Secur...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Real-time_Transport_Pro...
Re: Firefox Hello
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Lack of service for hours every day", is that a personal experience? Telefonica was providing services in villages and small towns with very difficult geography (mountains, roads, ...). Now there is a big competition in Spain, for example Jazztel is offering 200Gigabit/s up-down for 36 euros/moth and phone tax included. Our country is getting better in the IT sector and telefonica was the pioneer. It is easy to crit…
"Lack of service for hours every day", is that a personal experience? Yes, it's clear from the post that it is from personal experience. Why would you think otherwise? Telefonica was providing services in villages and small towns with very difficult geography Yes, back when it was a public company; that was just their responsibility. It is easy to critique but in the old times there was no other option Yes, but neith…
BSousa is commenting in another post down that in Manilva (a town in Spain) the service went down for two days ? (that's all). I posted a link in which Manilva is going to be the first town in Andalusia with 100% optic fiber (only telefonica) and now has 4G. There is one comment in that page from one people living there, and he says: At last we are going out of the prehistoric time.
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Re: Firefox Hello
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. Exactly. Firefox doesn't include "Firefox Hello" anymore than it includes "Gmail". Instead, Firefox (and other web browsers) include XMLHttpRequest and WebRTC, which can be used to implement whatever you want. I'm getting pretty tired of hearing this trope ("teh bloat!") anytime a browser announces new functi…
My parents had an uncanny knack for always buying slightly the wrong thing when I was a kid. Betamax, Amigas, minidiscs. I used to have a cassette player that had a tape recorder on it. It made it bigger and heavier, and probably more expensive and I never used the record feature. Just because part of the product works well, doesn't mean the rest of it is good.
> My parents had an uncanny knack for always buying slightly the wrong thing when I was a kid. Betamax, Amigas, minidiscs.
Ask them if they're speculating on Bitcoin, so I know if I should get out. =)
Re: Firefox Hello
#87A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple
> A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. Exactly. Firefox doesn't include "Firefox Hello" anymore than it includes "Gmail". Instead, Firefox (and other web browsers) include XMLHttpRequest and WebRTC, which can be used to implement whatever you want. I'm getting pretty tired of hearing this trope ("teh bloat!") anytime a browser announces new functi…
You're confusing Firefox Hello with WebRTC. Let me explain by analogy with a video codec:
For video, Firefox contains a video codec. Surfing to YouTube lets the YouTube web page play video. Firefox does not contain a "Youtube Player".
That's exactly the opposite of what they have done here. They have added basically added a "Telefonica WebRTC Player". That's wrong. They should have added WebRTC generically so that you go to a web page at Telefonica to use it. Or better yet, use it with a server you trust.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. Exactly. Firefox doesn't include "Firefox Hello" anymore than it includes "Gmail". Instead, Firefox (and other web browsers) include XMLHttpRequest and WebRTC, which can be used to implement whatever you want. I'm getting pretty tired of hearing this trope ("teh bloat!") anytime a browser announces new functi…
You're confusing Firefox Hello with WebRTC. Let me explain by analogy with a video codec: For video, Firefox contains a video codec. Surfing to YouTube lets the YouTube web page play video. Firefox does not contain a "Youtube Player". That's exactly the opposite of what they have done here. They have added basically added a "Telefonica WebRTC Player". That's wrong. They should have added WebRTC generically so that yo…
I can't help but think that this has something to do with their decision to drop google as the default search option. This is their monetary avenue going forward.
Re: Firefox Hello
#90A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple
Just call it the "Chrome-ification" of Firefox. Chrome is automatically updated to be jam-packed full of browser-specific APIs and functionality. Like when Chrome automatically updated and registered itself as a background service without permission. Or when Chrome automatically installed a microphone listening service for always on "OK Google" hotword detection. Or the fact that Chrome Apps are less and less "webpag…
There's no need to disable the functionality. It's just WebRTC. It's not using any resources unless you're actually using it.