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Surviving Anxiety

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Re: Surviving Anxiety

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In my experience meditation effectively reduces panic, but I'm still aware of panic. It's like holding a hot coal.

The hot coal is in your throat, not in your hand. Do you try to swallow it, or try to spit it up?

Swallow. "try to spit" sounds like trying escape, and I think it would intensify the anxiety. But spitting does involve letting go. Hmmm maybe I'll try it. Now what would make me anxious.

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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Guys please stop looking for the reason why you are using drugs. They are just awesome thats why. Nowadays we could be honest saying that.

When anything awesome comes to our life we forget about stomach aches, spine aches or mental aches and feel the drive. But drugs and medicines have not awesome side-effects. I could be very nervous on weed and stimulators and after psychedelics (we are not talking about opiates usually its one-way road).

The medical fact that you could be born predisposed to be nervous or could became that after the shock. So its your body nature.

And there is only two ways: 1. Be where is awesome and do something awesome. You need it more then others. 2. Radically change your metabolism, reject yourself and became a Z-Zombie.

Or the grave, but you can't avoid it, so it can wait, finally there will be no nerves to be nervous anyway.

And you shouldn't dramatize what's going on. Panic attack its just several bad hours and you are not physically damaged after that. I have a couple of them per week, and one a day in bad times, but you're not dying, event not physically disabled, just misbalance moment in your nervous system. Ok just as planned 56 hours per week for a sleep, 3 for a toiled, 25 for internet hangout, 10 for a meal and 5 for the panic attacks, everything just as planned. When you are resting well, eating enough you'll reduce this time. So there is even a good news)

When you have a hard panic attacks with adrenaline outburst (you know, you are "really dying", but before you should run to the toilet like sprinter) that's a bright moments, and you have couple bright days after them, just because its not happening with you now. Everyone wants a bright life, right? You've got a little for free, some kind of death and resurrection cycle)

Brotherhood of anxious guys and girls are just a part of big picture, there is a epilepsy, head traumas and other ns diseases and we are not holding even the bronze medal.

Want another good thing? Hypochondria, i really killing my physician with it. How dare you to say that i have no cancer! Lets check again! Two MRI per week is too much? Not too much for the such ill person, im sure that bastard is hiding somewhere between spine and lungs. My heart is ok?! I'll go to the other physician! You said something about spot on pancreas? Oh, that spot will kill me in a year for sure. (why did they asked me how long i didn't fart?). But my real hope is a inborn cyst "without diagnostic meaning" it's a real black horse, when i feel the headache i know that there is no brain left, only cyst with a liquid and alchohol inside, ready to explode.

Hypochondria helps us to visit physician in a time, discover early problems and prevent them, so, statistically, we are more bulletproof that guys which seen a doctor once a life and suddenly dying from the stroke just before 50 anniversary.

But there was a real killing thing in my life. One day i haven't sleep because i was anxious, guy from my work said something wrong (or i thought that he thought something wrong, i don't remember clearly). Then i feel strange smell, i sniffed and decided that there is a fire in my flat. So i raised a panic of the highest probe and evacuated my family. There was a real fire downstairs and all flat became filled with acrid fumes after 5 minutes.

So my anxiety save me and my family, and we are in very good relations after this accident.

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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I have a question for you actually. I have noticed things very similar to what you talk about after a few years of regular smoking. I started at 19 and I'm 21 now (edit, 22, forgot my own age). I used to evangelize marijuana since it has no overt medical side effects, but I think I'm coming to realize what you are talking about -- it kinda does make you stupid, like my Mom warned me about years ago. And not just when…

Here's another anecdote, for what it's worth: I started smoking at age 21, when I graduated college a year early, and smoked nonstop after graduation until age 23. At that point, my life basically fell apart, and it was definitely related to being high 24/7. So I quit cold turkey. By age 25, I had started my own web business that was very successful. SaaS business, recurring revenue, amazing growth, etc. I was drivin…

Did your wife stay with you through all that craziness?

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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As long as I can remember, I've always had intense social anxiety, but never generalized anxiety. In other words, interacting with people I don't know very well gives me intense anxiety, but that's about the only thing that does. I have no problem with public speaking, and I don't get anxiety when I'm by myself. Well, maybe a little bit, but not like the guy in the article. My main problem is that I obsess and overanalyze everything. For instance, I stood in the grocery aisle for half an hour trying to figure out which of two products was the better one. I ended up accessing research articles through my university's proxy service and reading them on my phone while I stood there.

I started Nardil after a very weird/disturbing relationship left me in a depressed state for many months. I had never been depressed before that. But it eliminated the depression almost instantly, and greatly diminished my social anxiety. Although I'm thinking of stopping it soon because the side effects are pretty bad. I didn't notice them at first, but they've crept up and are very noticeable now. Hopefully when I stop it my ability to handle social interactions will remain now that I've had some practice with it.

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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There is a meta-study by Kripke which concludes that even very rare use of benzos triples your likelihood of death, controlling for other factors.

That was actually refuted by the guys Kripke cited: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/264345529_Reply_to_E...

Full pdf here: http://www.antonpottegaard.dk/publications/letters/[l002%20-...

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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Because you're effectively taking unregulated medicines with similar mechanisms to standard anti-depressants?

So because they could be dangerous, I shouldn't post the information? I included the links to examine.com which gives a descent meta analysis of the research behind each of them. Both of them show promising research results. Safety is never guaranteed. Certainly I don't have to spell this out for the HN audience? Do your own research. Weigh the risks. If the safety profile is to your liking, then find a trusted suppl…

>Stop immediately if any undesirable effects are noticed.

Probably not the best idea since if you are taking something that actually increases serotonin you will give yourself antidepressant discontinuation syndrome by stopping abruptly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant_discontinuation_...

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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post #74

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So because they could be dangerous, I shouldn't post the information? I included the links to examine.com which gives a descent meta analysis of the research behind each of them. Both of them show promising research results. Safety is never guaranteed. Certainly I don't have to spell this out for the HN audience? Do your own research. Weigh the risks. If the safety profile is to your liking, then find a trusted suppl…

>Stop immediately if any undesirable effects are noticed. Probably not the best idea since if you are taking something that actually increases serotonin you will give yourself antidepressant discontinuation syndrome by stopping abruptly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant_discontinuation_...

You're exhausting to discuss with, even over the Internet. 300mg is a very normal dose. Serotonin syndrome isn't going to be induced with such conservative dosing.

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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Here's another anecdote, for what it's worth: I started smoking at age 21, when I graduated college a year early, and smoked nonstop after graduation until age 23. At that point, my life basically fell apart, and it was definitely related to being high 24/7. So I quit cold turkey. By age 25, I had started my own web business that was very successful. SaaS business, recurring revenue, amazing growth, etc. I was drivin…

Did your wife stay with you through all that craziness?

Yes, she is a saint.

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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post #87

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>Stop immediately if any undesirable effects are noticed. Probably not the best idea since if you are taking something that actually increases serotonin you will give yourself antidepressant discontinuation syndrome by stopping abruptly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant_discontinuation_...

You're exhausting to discuss with, even over the Internet. 300mg is a very normal dose. Serotonin syndrome isn't going to be induced with such conservative dosing.

....?

I never said anything about serotonin syndrome...?? ...

Furthermore, I wasn't even the original GP, so how am I "exhausting?" The only thing I said was supplements are basically unregulated (theres a good chance your bottle of St Johns Wort is actually rice powder * ) and talk to your doctor before taking supplement and before stopping supplements abruptly. Trust me, antidepressant discontinuation syndrome is complete HELL.

* http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/science/herbal-suppleme...

Re: Surviving Anxiety

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I had anxiety years ago, with panic attacks whenever I was on a train for more than a few minutes. I was also constantly afraid of having contracted fatal diseases. No more. I did a lot of different probiotics (Mutaflor, some generic L-bacillus stuff, homemade kefir, Kombucha,...) in the last years, and anxiety has completely gone away. Here is some possible explanation: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-be…

It would be great if you can provide a shopping list. I'd like to try it.

Sure! Mutaflor is quite expensive, and it has to be kept in the fridge. I ordered it in Germany, but it should be available internationally, perhaps with other brand names. It's one of the few bacterial strains that is proven to help Ulverative Colitis (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutaflor).

Homemade Kefir and Water Kefir are made by fermenting milk or sugarwater. It's a wild ferment, so it's critical that the culture you get on eBay or craigslist is in a good state. So it's advisable to have a hard look and smell at the kefir you are producing. Keeping the kefir acidic is crucial so the good strains (L-Bacilli and certain funghi) can outcrowd the strains you don't want in there. Kombucha works similarly, but I haven't used if for long.

While I tried lots of things, milk and Water Kefir worked best by far. I can't remember what L-Bacilli supplements I tested, but I got the impression that they did not do as much as Mutaflor or the Kefir. But the number of bacteria in Kefir is ridiculously higher than in most supplements, so that might be the reason.

Almost forgot.. I have low stomach acid, so I regularly drink (unpasteurized, unfiltered) apple cider vinegar. This might prevent "bad" strains from getting a grip, but I can only speculate.

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