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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Does Google ever access your Google Analytics or other Google tools you are using to get more insight info about your website or app? Would they ever do such thing?

I wonder if they read your personal Gmail account to see if you're considering other offers? Or if you've corresponded with other people about their proposal?

This absolutely does not and could not happen.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

"What's wrong with this country? Can't a man walk down the street without being offered a job!?"

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#83
post #41

For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

I don't see why it's a scam. Isn't an "aqui-hire" pretty standard practice these days?

An "acqui-hire" is the process of acquiring a team that you know works well together and is capable of putting out a product and probably has relevant domain knowledge, without going through the traditional process of finding generally competent people, throwing them in a room, and seeing if they can get something done.

If it's a solo founder, and especially if they're not being recruited to work on a similar sort of project, I don't think there's anything to make it an "acqui-hire" instead of a "yo, shut down your company and come work for us".

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was suggesting GPS wouldn't work with most rooms having ceilings. Wifi positioning I would imagine is highly inaccurate, which leaves the gyroscope. Judging by some screenshots and appstore comments I assume its only roughly accurate, and requires you to move your phone slowly between walls in straight lines (not via your pocket or around furniture for example). I think I would have immediately dismissed an idea li…

GPS is based on triangulating (well, trilateralating) between 3-6 fixed points in space located thousands of kilometers away. Wifi positioning is based on triangulating (trilateralating) between 3-40 fixed points within 100 meters. Assuming you can get access to the raw data, Wifi should be extremely accurate for calculating the distance between two points in space separated by less than 30 meters. (And probably pret…

What about the impact of walls and other objects in between? Signal can drop or jump sharply as you move in and out of shadows.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#85
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was suggesting GPS wouldn't work with most rooms having ceilings. Wifi positioning I would imagine is highly inaccurate, which leaves the gyroscope. Judging by some screenshots and appstore comments I assume its only roughly accurate, and requires you to move your phone slowly between walls in straight lines (not via your pocket or around furniture for example). I think I would have immediately dismissed an idea li…

Ceilings usually aren't problematic for GPS. They do better out side, but if you get cell service through the ceiling, you'll get GPS signal through it. What I'm curious about is that GPS is only accurate to within a few meters. If I turn on my GPS and set it on my desk for an hour, the resulting track will look like it's bouncing around the room. My guess is this app averages a bunch of readings from each wall to co…

The traditional approach in sensor fusion is to use high accuracy, high drift sensors like the phone's accelerometer to provide accurate short term data and then correct for the drift using less accurate but low drift sensors like GPS. Just integrating the accelerometers will work on short time spans, but you also double integrate the noise of the accelerometer, so that measurement of position blows up quickly unless you correct for it.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Re-read it. #1 the recruiter (Maxine) didn't really work for the famous googler she claimed to work for. She worked for #2 who was just a regular old manager.

I see the claim that she is a recruiter in the article. I do not see the evidence for that claim. I don't think the article establishes that googler #1 (with the name MARXXXXX) is Maxine. It's all very confusing; why mask out the name in one place, then use it elsewhere? And why would a web search turn up that MARXXXX exists and then we decide that Maxine may not exist "Max will never meet Maxine; she probably doesn’…

"Maxine" and "MarXXXX" are different people, I think. The article is confusingly written. I think "Maxine" is a third person (or non-person) brought in by #2 (DavXXXX) to do the first in-person meeting with Max (the author); #1 (MarXXXX) was never going to meet with Max, at least outside of Mountain View.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#87
post #51

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As a recruiter, I'd be curious to hear what tricks were played to get you to interview. I'm an independent, so when I speak to people there is never anything ambiguous about our discussions (my clients are not looking to acquire your product if you have one). Is it possible that Google liked your product and subsequently thought you might be a good hire, but didn't like your product as a potential acquisition? That i…

>> Thousands of people abandon small side projects and independent businesses every year to join companies as an employee. Just because a company is recruiting someone who happens to have some product doesn't necessarily mean that the hiring company has interest in both the person and the product. In the post above, the whole bit about being from "Google Corporate Development" is shady. We're only hearing one side of…

I understand your point as it relates to the blog post. My comment was specific to the parent post about being contacted by Google recruiters.

I agree that being contacted by "Corp Dev" is shady if there is no intent on a potential acquisition. That said, I don't find it shady at all if a Google recruiter contacts talented technologists who happen to have some sort of side project.

If DHH gets a call from Google, they'd better have interest in Basecamp. If some Ruby dev who has a small product with 500 customers gets a call from Google recruiters (not corp dev), the dev shouldn't assume it's an acquihire situation. There is, as usual, some gray area of course.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#88
post #39

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$2M isn't really $2M. Spread it out over 4 years as $300k the first year, $400k the second, $500k the third, $800k the fourth. This is what's called 'golden handcuffs.' If he truly believed RoomScan could be a massive success and the market was showing adoption, his expected value is much higher for sticking with RoomScan, especially as he had sold his last company and didn't /need/ a few extra hundred thousand dolla…

I'm not sure how this still isn't two million dollars? I guess if you subtract the salary this person could be making if they paid him $2M up front and let him walk away?

The expected value of $2m cash now is always going to be higher $2m spread out over 4 years (or however many) as you would expect to be able to get a return on the money, and there is a risk tied to whether or not you will receive the full $2m if it's spread out with attached conditions.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#89
post #41

For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#90
post #41

For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

manages via the fame of its name [. . .] What I experienced was less heinous but had the same elements- misrepresentation, name dropping

I think the original author should name everyone involved. I understand why he didn't, but people can only get away with this shit because they do it anonymously and no one talks to each other.

This is a much less extreme example, but years ago my former landlord threatened to kill me over a small claims court case (http://jakeseliger.com/2010/08/28/dont-rent-an-apartment-fro... if you're curious) and I wrote a post about what happened using his real name. Perhaps not surprisingly, since then I've gotten two emails thanking me for the story—one from someone who'd rented from him and had a bad experience and one from someone who avoided him.

In general it's a good idea to keep non-public conversations non-public, but when the people starting those conversations rely on them in order to do nasty stuff the principle should no longer apply.

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