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How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#81

If my business pays for a great programmer, I want that programmer's knowledge, experience and attitude to diffuse to the rest of my team (... not that I have a business, just sayin' :-). Much harder to do this if that great programmer isn't in the office.

In my eight years' remote working experience, your statement is false.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#82
post #38

>Use WordPress and P2, use Slack, use G+ Hangouts, use Skype, use any of the amazing technology that allows us to collaborate as effectively online as previous generations of company did offline. I've been a 100% remote worker for 5+ years but I think we have to be honest here. All those teleconferencing/videoconferencing/virtualwhiteboards/etc are not as effective as everyone sharing the same physical workspace. Yes…

I am in bay area & do not work remote, but I often think future is all about working remote to avoid commute & pollution. Software Engineering is one such job where we can get things done remotely. Like open source community :)

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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post #39

Hey Matt, I'm so glad you felt it necessary to include that DHTML snowstorm. My laptop fan really needed the exercise and I have your ~500-line JavaScript workout to thank for it! Of course, I closed the tab pretty much immediately after noticing it so I didn't read the article. Can't wait for unnecessary js to go out of style.

As soon as I saw the snowflakes falling, I thought, "Oh jeez, someone on HN is going to be having a meltdown over this!"

Sure enough.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#84
post #60

Meh. Here is the tradeoff. If everyone is co-located, you have inconvenience and higher productivity. If everyone is remote, you have an inherent overhead, but enormous flexibility. If some people are co-located and others are remote, you naturally tend towards a divide where people who are co-located without thinking about it wind up networking with each other and excluding the remotes. If you are a small startup, t…

Yep, I too think same

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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post #69

Programmers, if they have a choice, like remote or at least some remote. Managers + VCs, if they have a choice, prefer all in the office so they can keep power but this actually makes them less competitive and more susceptible to physical disruptions: moving an office, an employee moving, time, office politics, commute, distractions, over meeting and more. The PG essay on this was glaringly overlooking that you can b…

I'd add that the PG post is a symptom of a disease. A disease that that is brewing in the echo-chambers of SV. Note also the recent post where PG claims that "mean people fail". The more the VC community gets un-hinged from the reality the quicker the inflation of the bubble and the crazier the assertions. Time to get out of the bubble.

Part of the problem is that investors might understand the businesses they invest in from 30,000 feet, but they frequently have no idea how their portfolio companies are actually run. If some of them went undercover and applied for jobs at their own portfolio companies, they'd probably have a different perspective about the "talent shortage."

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post #64

The article assumes its conclusion: > amazing technology that allows us to collaborate as effectively online as previous generations of company did offline That's a huge claim, and it's disputable. For example, I've worked both ways a lot and find remote work to be dramatically less effective. If you accept the claim, then sure, the startups PG was writing about are missing the obvious, and for the most ironic of rea…

What you say about the article may very well be true, but the surrounding discussion is not as bad as that. I recognize that the problems pointed out by PG ("chance meetings") and others are genuine problems that haven't yet been solved by technology. However, what I object to is that the rallying cry (and a lot of PG's essays are now rallying cries for how the industry should be, even if he just thinks "I'm just a dude that likes to post my thoughts on the internet, I don't know why everyone objects") of the industry is "move more people into open offices in SV and NYC", rather than "improve the remoting process".

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#88
post #38

>Use WordPress and P2, use Slack, use G+ Hangouts, use Skype, use any of the amazing technology that allows us to collaborate as effectively online as previous generations of company did offline. I've been a 100% remote worker for 5+ years but I think we have to be honest here. All those teleconferencing/videoconferencing/virtualwhiteboards/etc are not as effective as everyone sharing the same physical workspace. Yes…

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Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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post #60

Meh. Here is the tradeoff. If everyone is co-located, you have inconvenience and higher productivity. If everyone is remote, you have an inherent overhead, but enormous flexibility. If some people are co-located and others are remote, you naturally tend towards a divide where people who are co-located without thinking about it wind up networking with each other and excluding the remotes. If you are a small startup, t…

I think you might be mistaken in the assumption that remote working leads to less productivity than co-located.

This is purely up to the team. Sometimes being co-located leads to over meeting and lots of time spent on disruptions and chats, while remote working lead you to be more professional and talk to your co-workers only when necessary for the job.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add that the PG post is a symptom of a disease. A disease that that is brewing in the echo-chambers of SV. Note also the recent post where PG claims that "mean people fail". The more the VC community gets un-hinged from the reality the quicker the inflation of the bubble and the crazier the assertions. Time to get out of the bubble.

Part of the problem is that investors might understand the businesses they invest in from 30,000 feet, but they frequently have no idea how their portfolio companies are actually run. If some of them went undercover and applied for jobs at their own portfolio companies, they'd probably have a different perspective about the "talent shortage."

They'd probably get rejected for jobs at their own portfolio companies. That's how out of whack hiring is.
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