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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by smilekzs »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #45

What do citizens in China think of this? When Google Search was effectively banned, some scientists said that they depended on Google Scholar and Google Books, services which were also affected by the ban. Are Baidu and similar services really an effective replacement? I'm also wondering what would happen if the U.S. takes this to the World Trade Organization. Arbitrarily blocking some company's services could well b…

The majority of Chinese netizens [citation needed] don't care simply because they're not as well educated to digest English content to begin with.

Looking forward to see this issue escalate, as it's the only way to deter the Chinese Gov't.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by LiweiZ »

dengnan wrote: post #31
WhitneyLand wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Speaking to locals they don't care Locals don't care that they can't use certain American sites, or don't care that they are intellectually oppressed?

We do care. The problem is: What can we do? Using technical method to get through GFW? Well, it works now but technically, Chinese government controls all Internet facility and they do not even care to block thousands of IPs, even if it means block the whole Internet (It happened in Xinjiang and Tibet.) Moreover, ISPs constantly throttle the international data which means connecting to a server outside GFW may be ver…

I agree with most of what you said. However, violence can only break the status quo. It does not necessarily lead to a better place, even we do not count the expected ugly process before that. The best ruling party can do is to strengthen the current deadlock. Yes, it is a deadlock. Given our lifespan, there is little light I can see. When the cheap labor margin exhausted, the end game begins. As natives, we know best that what competitive advantages we left except cheap labor. Oh, someone must point out the dynamic domestic market. By that time, it should be pretty much dead already. Those big market caps will totally gone.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by happyscrappy »

xnull2guest wrote: post #72

This is likely because of Google's agreement with the US government to provide access to Chinese emails to officials as part of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance, and the Chinese hacking of the access systems put in place by Google for law enforcement to collect a list of active surveillance targets.

It is good that China is protecting their citizens like this maybe Europe can do it too.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

smilekzs wrote: post #81
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #45

What do citizens in China think of this? When Google Search was effectively banned, some scientists said that they depended on Google Scholar and Google Books, services which were also affected by the ban. Are Baidu and similar services really an effective replacement? I'm also wondering what would happen if the U.S. takes this to the World Trade Organization. Arbitrarily blocking some company's services could well b…

The majority of Chinese netizens [citation needed] don't care simply because they're not as well educated to digest English content to begin with. Looking forward to see this issue escalate, as it's the only way to deter the Chinese Gov't.

How exactly do you deter a government that rolls tanks against its own citizens? I really don't think there's a democratic reform avenue here. People will deal with it, and largely accept it due to their anti-western attitudes. The Communist Party sees citizens as their subjects and will put them in line as need be. Its not a democracy.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by abhinavk »

fown9 wrote: post #71

Two observations: 1) Since China effectively blocked most of Google's services (and uses Google's mobile operating system for free and makes a ton of money off it - look at Xiaomi), Isn't it basically that China was able to rob Google, and doesn't suffer any consequences from it? 2) Also most US websites are blocked in China (Google, Facebook, Dropbox, Youtube, Twitter, Wikipedia, NYTimes, the list goes on and on...)…

AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) is open-source.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by [deleted] »

sindarknave wrote: post #25
praptak wrote: post #4

What would happen if everybody added random "free tibet human rights xinjiang" triggers to their web pages? Or even better, randomly embed real snippets from organizations that fight for human rights in China.

You misjudge the nature of Chinese political control; awareness of human rights organizations is not the issue. Apart from a vocal minority of patriots, most people are quite aware of the lack of democratic freedoms, crackdowns of dissidence, or restrictions on speech. But most people are very satisfied with the prosperity of the status quo. Case in point: in response to the very public Umbrella Movement in Hong Kong…

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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by manlio »

Slightly OT, but I'm going to travel through China in a couple days and before reading this thread I thought I could get away with my VPN (hosted on my Digital Ocean VPS) plus eventually Tor, but now I'm not quite sure anymore.

Could anybody shed light on this?

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by annapurna »

kryptiskt wrote: post #10
menato wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of putting "Tibet" and "human rights" close to each other doesn't look very promising to me based on some historic observations of pre-China Tibet lifestyle http://masterok.livejournal.com/1713489.html (sorry for russian, but hopefully it is pretty simple for automatic translation)

What a red herring. That is one weak excuse for China's violation of human rights. Yeah, most of the world lacked human rights in the past, so what?

Completely agree. Always the same excuse - bring up the past to defend the present. More than 125 Tibetans have set themselves on fire since March 2011[1], including three in the past week [2] (37-yr-old monk, 20-yr-old woman, and a 34-yr-old man) to protest against this repressive Chinese occupation. As a Tibetan, the past protests and these self-immolations are heart-wrenching and at the Toronto vigil this past weekend, there were people in tears. It's just hard.

We live in this amazing world and yet we have all these geopolitical issues (Eastern Europe, Middle East, Tibet, Kashmir, etc.) caused by various factors we vehemently believe/oppose (we humans have an brilliant capacity to rationalize any of our actions/beliefs). This past summer, I traveled across Kashmir with my two high school friends to visit the areas where the Indo-Pakistani[3] and Sino-Indian[4] wars took place. The landscape was beautiful, especially in the Ladakh regions. But overall, these regions are occupied by villages and small towns dwarfed by the huge military bases. Why can't these local people live by themselves without the fear of another war? Most of you already know, it's the same textbook example: a new ruler comes in town, finds the need to distract/rally his or her country - what better than a war (this "war" could be extended to politics/tech/biz, not just the old Roman wars)? History is littered with the similar plots and it works every single time.

Sometimes, I wonder if an ET contact would be good for our world so we could put down our differences and realize we are all in this together so we could take care of each other, our neighbors, and our amazing planet! Also, solving Fermi's paradox [5] would be icing on the cake!

[1]http://freetibet.org/news-media/na/full-list-self-immolation... [2]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/12/26/uk-china-tibet-idUK... [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_wars_and_confli... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War [5]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8796270

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by igivanov »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #75

Not surprising considering the tricks they've been pulling of late. What can be said here? The people have chosen an autocratic government and often, without me even provoking them, will tell me how superior is is to western values, the same way Russians will also do. As an international traveler and sometimes international worker, this is fairly typical stuff. I see this kind of thing on VK and Facebook all the time…

I am not sure how blocking gmail has anything to do with democracy and "western values".

OTOH the "western values" on the Internet as we've recently observed include total worldwide surveillance, hacking everything at will, manipulation of social networks and so on, so maybe your "democratic" high horse is not so high after all.

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