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Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Hey I live in a small (former) fishing town! Except it's winter, 30 degrees and I'm inside staring at my computer screens and might as well be anywhere in the world. Yes I can stop work, and "go surfing" (in the right season), I can even stop working and visit the local town pier and see those quaint "fisherman" struggling to make a living -because let's be honest, not everyone can be a tech-ninja startup founder. If…

it doesn't matter until it lets you cut your payroll in half and gives you 12 months more runway with your funding.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

#82

Hey I live in a small (former) fishing town! Except it's winter, 30 degrees and I'm inside staring at my computer screens and might as well be anywhere in the world. Yes I can stop work, and "go surfing" (in the right season), I can even stop working and visit the local town pier and see those quaint "fisherman" struggling to make a living -because let's be honest, not everyone can be a tech-ninja startup founder. If…

If like me you're confused how 30 deg C is cold ... then note 30 deg F is ~ -1 deg C.

For me, in the UK, being able to go and sit outside for half-an-hour makes a lot of difference to my mood and thence my ability to focus and get stuff done. There's only really a couple of months in the year that's possible. Mind you I love snow too, and a fresh bright snowy day is a great break as well. Instead we seem to have at least 6 months of dreariness and dreich.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Sounds like a great way to selfdestruct. "Hey, guess what, you have to move to $middleofnowhere." "Hey, guess what, I quit." Exactly how the conversation would go if it ever happened to me. What would happen in such a situation is the good employees would quit because they wouldn't want to compromise their salary, marketability, and ability to take a new job, while the dead weight would go with it because it's still…

Exactly how the conversation would go if it ever happened to me.

Look at the entire business model of Silicon Valley -- the vast majority of hires are fresh graduates. Party because of ageism, but also because fresh graduates are the ones who are willing to uproot their lives and move to some place with a not particularly compelling quality of life, with enormous costs of living, just to get a job. The reality is that the Valley isn't necessarily drawing the best of the best from across the continent: They're drawing the ones who are willing to move, which overwhelmingly means people just starting their adult lives.

So if someone wants to hire new graduates, being in a more remote location might be completely tenable, if not optimal, to their strategy. It is a filter.

And then there are remote workers. I live on a sprawling property in the rural extents of the exurbs of Toronto. If I worked a traditional SD job it would be a terrible commute, but I do the vast majority of my work completely remotely, with redundant high speed connections and some fat computing hardware. There is absolutely nothing that being in the center of it offers me. On the flip side I often have peers and clients to my property for BBQs and a good time.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Well, I think this strategy might work if you want to keep your burn rate unbelievably low while you are writing v 1.0. But to be honest 300 Euro per week for space is actually not optimal. I've been in the mountains of Vietnam for the last year and rent has been between $50 and $125 per month, which has made it possible for me to be unemployed for a long time and write v1.0 of my startup's app. I think that Southeas…

What is the fastest Internet connection you can get while paying $125/month for rent?

12 mbps for ~$10 a month. Arguably that's burst and in the evening I can't Skype effectively because of the congestion. But it's good enough for what I'm working on.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Hm, sorry but ages of experience show that what mostly works is the other way around: You want to be a big city because you can find clients (users), meet people (e.g. possible investors) and generally speaking do any sort of networking that would be otherwise impossible. The internet is what it is, but you can never match the face-to-face relationship with an online approach. I totally understand that this is a drea…

"Hm, sorry but ages of experience show that what mostly works is the other way around …" I think it is a business by itself: you pay for your exotic startup location. What we just read is a travel agency that focuses on startups. I agree with atmosx, that towns are better suited for startups. When we worked on our startup many years ago, one of the largest obstacles for investors was the location: a mid size sleepy t…

Yes - they're talking their book. Which would survive a VC funding round better: Two startups with a similar very far fetched idea - one asks for $10mm to continue in the valley, the other $5mm in Morocco?

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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I think a lifestyle location could be a cool underdog hiring strategy, at elates if you accept that you all your hire will be relocation hires. IE, if you are wiling to pay big city salaries in a small town location, that could be attractive to some people. Not everyone and obviously if you have Google/Facebook hiring requirements it's not an option. But, if you need to hire 5-10 a year it might work. Not everyone will want it. But, the minority that do want it want it a lot.

IE, imagine a couple with small kids from London comings for an interview to a nice location in Crete. Instead of a tiny London 2 bedroom, they can move into a nice cottage. They can save hours a day in commutes and get more cash into savings. That will appeal to some employees (or their wives/husbands). You can't say Crete is objectively better or worse than the London buzz. But, it is different in a way that will inevitably appeal to some.

The problem is that it's hard not to adjust your salary expectations (as an employer) to local salaries and that just isn't compatible with relocation hiring. People don't relocate for a lower salary, even if cost of living is lower. I think the EU has a lot of these possibilities that are still under appreciated.

If you think your main win/lose parameter is the quality of people you can hire, you should think creatively about how to win here. It's hard to win competing head-to-head.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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post #61

Hey I live in a small (former) fishing town! Except it's winter, 30 degrees and I'm inside staring at my computer screens and might as well be anywhere in the world. Yes I can stop work, and "go surfing" (in the right season), I can even stop working and visit the local town pier and see those quaint "fisherman" struggling to make a living -because let's be honest, not everyone can be a tech-ninja startup founder. If…

> At the end of the day it doesn't matter where you are. I think that it matters, instead. Unless you are one of those people who are oblivious to their surroundings. You are not going to code 24/7. And when you will have done your share of coding for the day, or even if you would just like to take a break, then being in a nice place will help you to recharge yourself.

Some people consider small fishing villages to be nice places.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Is Morocco a save place now? A relative was there to help in the United Nations peacekeeping mission, especially the southern part of Morocco "Western Sahara". United Nations peacekeeping mission is still ongoing: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:United_Nations_peacek... (blue region in north-west of Africa)

It's almost impossible to have a gun in Morocco then it's easy to assume that you are safer than in the US.

That statement makes no sense. You know it is possible to have violence without guns, right?

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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post #13

I live in London and I love the rain & grey skies. I cycle 15 minutes to work, but sometimes take public transport too. I feel plenty productive in this city, and if I were to start my own business, I'd have no problems being here. I think it really depends on who you are, not where you are.

I don't know how can you love cycling in the rain, considering that the bike needs cleaning afterwards.

Cycling in the rain in the city your tyres can slip on oil - unpleasant results even at starting speed. The oily puddles also stain clothes, which probably aren't cycling gear on a short 15 minute ride. My last job was a Chiswick to Tower Hill ride, gear up and get dirty, but the worst part was the state of the toilets we had to change in.

Re: Why you should move your startup to a small fishing town

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Hey I live in a small (former) fishing town! Except it's winter, 30 degrees and I'm inside staring at my computer screens and might as well be anywhere in the world. Yes I can stop work, and "go surfing" (in the right season), I can even stop working and visit the local town pier and see those quaint "fisherman" struggling to make a living -because let's be honest, not everyone can be a tech-ninja startup founder. If…

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