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Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by teh_klev »

patja wrote: post #70
Rapzid wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize it was so permissive for businesses. They are pretty serious about loading up the pipeline.

It is less permissive than Express was though, isn't it? I was under the impression there were no restrictions on who could use Express. If Express goes away now, some organizations will be shut out of the Community Edition due to its licensing terms and have to pay.

If you're running a "non-enterprise" commercial development team with > 5 full time MS devs and you're building apps of any sort of complexity I suspect you won't be using the Express editions anyway. I'm one of two developers in a company of 12 and Express doesn't really cut the mustard for the stuff we're doing which is only moderately complex.

Also bear in mind you're still getting five free installs before having to shell out for your sixth developer. By that time I would also expect that your revenue stream is pretty healthy and the cost of developer tooling, relatively speaking, is a minor cost of doing business.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by keithg »

rl3 wrote: post #59

This is a surprising move, won't it result in a large drop in their MSDN subscriber base? I may be wrong here, but as far as I can tell, the only reason to maintain an MSDN subscription for the purposes of Visual Studio (assuming you're eligible to use Visual Studio Community 2013) is if you want the features in editions beyond Professional, you want to be on the bleeding edge, or you want the peripheral perks of sub…

My guess is that they will soon introduce Xamarin into the MSDN subscription plans. Hook developers with the free tools, and then sell the cross-platform, mobile capabilities of Xamarin as an upgrade. There is already a 20% discount for MSDN premium and ultimate subscribers.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

#83

Post by keithg »

elboru wrote: post #65
bovermyer wrote: post #42

A lot of people seem to think that steps like this are just Microsoft catching up. Which, I suppose, they are. But there's something else here too - this kind of thing, where Microsoft is opening up to the open source community, releasing more free tools, releasing more open source projects, all started happening when Satya Nadella took the reins. I think what we're looking at is a CEO that gets it and is trying to m…

Staya Nadella might be accelerating things, but Microsoft has been moving through this direction before Staya's arrival (ASP.NET MVC was open sourced in April 2009), actually I see Staya Nadella taking reins as another step Microsoft took to be more open.

Scott Hanselman has been an outspoken advocate for this type of move within Microsoft. Hard to say how much influence he has had, but I think it's probably not insignificant.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

#84

Post by badgersandjam »

sequence7 wrote: post #67
rl3 wrote: post #59

This is a surprising move, won't it result in a large drop in their MSDN subscriber base? I may be wrong here, but as far as I can tell, the only reason to maintain an MSDN subscription for the purposes of Visual Studio (assuming you're eligible to use Visual Studio Community 2013) is if you want the features in editions beyond Professional, you want to be on the bleeding edge, or you want the peripheral perks of sub…

The main value of an MSDN subscription is all the subscriber downloads and the Azure credits you get. Want to try out or develop against any piece of MS software, just download it from the MSDN portal and off you go. Want to test out provisioning with Azure or fire up a server to test or dev against, just use your Azure credits. You can happily run a couple of small servers with the Azure credits. If you just want Vi…

I get bugger all Azure credits with Pro. £35 a month which isn't enough to spin up one VM with 1.75Gb of RAM for a month...

If I grab MAPS sub and VS community I'm well up on cash.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

#86

Post by rl3 »

gregd wrote: post #77
rl3 wrote: post #59

This is a surprising move, won't it result in a large drop in their MSDN subscriber base? I may be wrong here, but as far as I can tell, the only reason to maintain an MSDN subscription for the purposes of Visual Studio (assuming you're eligible to use Visual Studio Community 2013) is if you want the features in editions beyond Professional, you want to be on the bleeding edge, or you want the peripheral perks of sub…

" Most early stage startups will no longer have to jump through hoops trying to get into BizSpark, nor prematurely start the clock ticking on that until they're ready. One of my major peeves with BizSpark has been the requirement that your company's public-facing site be more than just a "Coming Soon" page. " I found BizSpark's barrier to entry, practically zero. I applied online and got accepted within hours. I just…

I was just questioning a facet of BizSpark. Taken as a whole, it's a great program.

My point was how Visual Studio Community 2013 enhances BizSpark by rendering that particular complaint moot.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by teh_klev »

bovermyer wrote: post #42

A lot of people seem to think that steps like this are just Microsoft catching up. Which, I suppose, they are. But there's something else here too - this kind of thing, where Microsoft is opening up to the open source community, releasing more free tools, releasing more open source projects, all started happening when Satya Nadella took the reins. I think what we're looking at is a CEO that gets it and is trying to m…

This movement with Microsoft has been going on long before Satya took over the reins. I'd say Scott Guthrie probably seeded this goal to become more open (-source) around 2007/8. It's taken a while to achieve because...lawyers.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by teh_klev »

keithg wrote: post #83
elboru wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Staya Nadella might be accelerating things, but Microsoft has been moving through this direction before Staya's arrival (ASP.NET MVC was open sourced in April 2009), actually I see Staya Nadella taking reins as another step Microsoft took to be more open.

Scott Hanselman has been an outspoken advocate for this type of move within Microsoft. Hard to say how much influence he has had, but I think it's probably not insignificant.

And as I mentioned in another comment, Scott Guthrie. He really seemed to give the Dev Div a boot up the backside when he took over.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by runjake »

teh_klev wrote: post #87
bovermyer wrote: post #42

A lot of people seem to think that steps like this are just Microsoft catching up. Which, I suppose, they are. But there's something else here too - this kind of thing, where Microsoft is opening up to the open source community, releasing more free tools, releasing more open source projects, all started happening when Satya Nadella took the reins. I think what we're looking at is a CEO that gets it and is trying to m…

This movement with Microsoft has been going on long before Satya took over the reins. I'd say Scott Guthrie probably seeded this goal to become more open (-source) around 2007/8. It's taken a while to achieve because...lawyers.

My impression is that it's taken a while to achieve primarily because of leadership roadblocks, which Nadella changed.

I've heard this from MSFT employees and I believe Ballmer made a post-retirement comment in an interview about the same: that this all started after he left.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by stinos »

BloatControl wrote: post #46
drapper wrote: post #17

In my previous experiences with VS Express the installed version took about 10GBs of disk space and included plenty of stuff I didn't want or cared about, like various versions of MS SQL Server, support for VB, different runtimes for .NET, etc. Anyone knows if there's a way to avoid that? I'd like to have "just an IDE", for node and web development.

Welcome to the Mickysoft BloatWorld. And do not forget to get the new 700+ MB Update, so you can live up to even more bloat - this update alone flatulated 5+ GB on the harddrives I have seen. This is not just about "style" or "personal preference", it is a serious problem: it eats too much energy and therefore destroys the planet, millions of old but perfectly usable devices are transformed into highly dangerous toxi…

The hate is strong with this one.. To the point it's blinding and making it hard to write a company's name properly :P
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