If you would have shown me this headline 15 years ago I would have thought it was an onion article. Who would have thought they would have come this far?
I would be in disbelief 5 years ago. Its a new microsoft
Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
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#83This is such a bitter sweet announcement for me! I had just made up my mind to stop language hopping and settle/focus on Python and Go for backend development. But now C#, my first love, has come back to whisper sweet nothings in my ear!
Still this is great news and kudos to Microsoft for taking this bold step in the right direction.
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#84Any guarantees about patents? Can using and extending .Net will cause in the future claims of software patents violations?
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#85Any guarantees about patents? Can using and extending .Net will cause in the future claims of software patents violations?
Microsoft makes a patent promise:
https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/blob/master/PATENTS.TXT
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#86Together with the Visual Studio Community announcement https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8595855 , this is great news. I've always missed the power of visual studio when programming for open source platforms. This can change things a lot.
There's no indication from that that you'll see a Linux or OS X port of Visual Studio. They might, but they haven't said that. This Community Edition is extremely similar to the Express Edition, except with some limitations removed (e.g. extensions enabled) and some new limitations added (5x team members max, which the Express Edition doesn't have: no limit). The Express Edition can be used to produce and publish com…
Still great news, even without a port of VS to OSX or linux.
Personally I'm perfectly fine with using a windows PC as my development station, as long as I can create cross platform .NET code.
Extensions enabled on the community edition is great news for people who can integrate awesome tools like resharper
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#87Does this mean that Mono will no longer be necessary for cross-platform C# use?
Open-sourcing .NET doesn't magically make it work on other platforms (a not-insignificant chunk is Win32-specific, for example). But it certainly makes the Mono team's job easier.
Nope but Microsoft is making it work on other platforms. From the opening line:
> and expanding .NET to run on the Linux and Mac OS platforms.
http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-ope...
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#88I do wonder what this means for the mono project
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#89The key points seem to be: "Available Wednesday, Visual Studio Community 2013 is a free, fully featured edition of Visual Studio including full extensibility." So, it sounds like this will replace the Express edition and let you install extensions like you can in the Pro version. "Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015: build for any device - Built from the ground up with support for iOS, Android and Windows, Visual Studio…
One theory I've read is Microsoft wants Xamarin to stay third-party so Microsoft's competitors continue working with them. Xamarin is working with a great many companies who would think twice about working with Microsoft directly. This way Microsoft can shove money to Xamarin to forward the ecosystem without scaring anyone.
Nice theory... but they went the opposite direction with Nokia.
I don't think they'd have any issue purchasing Xamarin and importing/re-branding.
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#90It will be interesting to see how this will work in practice. C# will port over just fine. But the .Net libraries? System.Windows has little to nothing in it, and right now using things like System.IO.* on Linux and Mac is just asking for trouble. What are they going to do, hack in System.IO.* Linux support after the fact? Or just add Linux.IO.* which is even more of a hack. In either case you're going to get very me…
From Hanselman's post:
"ASP.NET 5 will include a web server for Mac and Linux called kestrel built on libuv."