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Re: The dark side of .io

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Post by itafroma » Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 10:28 AM UTC

pearjuice wrote: post #79

mrfrisby wrote: post #30

This thread is a depressingly self-serving reflection of this community. Few of you seem to have bothered to do anything but skim the article and come to a snap judgement based on what seems to be your idealised notion of how TLDs should be managed. For the sake of my own sanity, lets just be clear here: 1. An island chain was forcibly depopulated in order for the largest land mass to be leased to the United States a…

Meanwhile, Palestine is still a colony of Israel but hey they don't have a nice TLD so who bothers.

> Meanwhile, Palestine is still a colony of Israel but hey they don't have a nice TLD so who bothers.

The relationship between Palestine and the IANA is not very similar to .io and the Chagossians. Palestine has two TLDs—.ps and .فلسطين—that are managed by a Palestinian—not Israeli—naming authority, PNINA. As such, using the Palestinian TLD is considered[1] a mark of solidarity with the concept of a Palestinian state, not a reminder of, or the exploitation of, a forced exile.

[1]: http://www.pnina.ps/domains/

Re: The dark side of .io

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Post by djpowell » Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 12:08 PM UTC

CHY872 wrote: post #21

jessaustin wrote: post #4

The British High Court ruled in 2000 that they could do so, but the government ordered the ruling overturned... Haha I can think of a few leaders of other nations who might enjoy this power. Of course I have sympathy for refugees of all sorts. However, although the Chagossians were definitely screwed out of their home, it doesn't follow that they have been screwed out of ".io" money. It is an accident of history that…

> Haha I can think of a few leaders of other nations who might enjoy this power. In Britain we essentially go by the philosophy that parliament represents the people, and parliament is the highest authority in the country. If the government doesn't like a decision made by a court, the idea is that the law can be changed.

The court decisions weren't overturned by parliament though, they were done by royal prerogative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_in_Council#United_Kingdom

Re: The dark side of .io

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Post by M2Ys4U » Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 2:14 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #70

geographomics wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not completely arbitrary, it's mostly based on ISO 3166 which is in turn derived from the names of countries. So on the contrary, it was a very deliberate assignment of two letter codes to territories. If the islanders had not been forcibly displaced in the 1960s, they would most probably have been had some say in the governance of .io, as other British overseas territories have done for their respective domains…

> it's mostly based on ISO 3166 which is in turn derived from the names of countries. The mostly is significant; in several cases the ISO was over-ridden and arbitrary but sensible codes assigned e.g. UK instead of GB. Many smaller territories were not granted codes in ISO3166 and had to be 'invented' for the TLDs ISO3166 is in itself a bit of a mess, and since it became used for TLDs there have been dozens of reques…

.uk was the first ccTLD, and the assignment precedes the decision to use ISO-3166

Re: The dark side of .io

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Post by chrislgrigg » Wed, Nov 12, 2014, 8:07 PM UTC

PythonicAlpha wrote: post #56

chrislgrigg wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This situation doesn't really seem like it's "history" in the same sense, considering it happened so recently, governments are still actively working against them as they attempt repatriation, and the TLD issue is fresh.

I see some parallels, and time that has passed by is also a weak excuse. Even I think, that many native Americans also still suffer from the treatment their ancestors got. But: You can't excuse one wrong with another wrong. The fight about the TLDs might be some little thing, but what happened to those people is an outspoken injustice and I can't comprehend, how modern countries could do such things in the last decad…

No, time that has passed is not a weak excuse if we are discussing something that is current and loosely involves many of us (the purchase of .io TLDs, an issue that only emerged recently) instead of having a general discussion about government abuses over time.

Nobody is trying to say that Native Americans didn't get a raw deal; only one person is trying to say that because Native Americans got a raw deal a few hundred years ago, it's OK to do the same to the Chagossians right now. This is the sort of logic people always employ when they're trying to feel better about participating in something shitty. It's the "But he hit me first!" of ethics.