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Point – A smart house sitter

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Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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I dont understand what you're saying. You don't want to have cloud integration yet you want to have monitor remotely? How would that work without server software?

An innovative concept - the server software is installed on raspberry pi I own.

What'll be easier to hack - a raspberry pi that Holly Housemaker maintains or a cloud connected one that Nick Neckbeard maintains for her? (serious question, I think there's a debate here)

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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Form engineer here. We're not planning on shipping our firmware signing keys along with our product like Belkin did. Jokes aside, security, integrity and trust are our very top priorities. The hardware is designed in a way that should be extremely hard to misuse, and even if someone would be able to break the encrypted protocols, the encrypted and signed firmware images and manage to run custom firmwares on the MCU:s…

As a fellow embedded design engineer, I would advise you to read up a bit on the Greek gods Hubris and Nemesis .

So you're suggesting they just give up?

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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I'll third the desire. We've been turning the WiFi off at night, and virtually every AP we've had has had issues. So I'd much rather use ethernet for something as critical as security, due to past WiFi issues.

Out of curiosity, why do you turn off WiFi at night?

I'm getting suspicious of WiFi's actual safety, potential EMF sensitivity and all that. The same wavelength at higher powers cooks food and has never actually been proven safe at lower levels. Even though it's non-ionizing radiation ... so are the various nuclear radiation particles/waves. So we're running a test to see if turning the WiFi off affects our sleep.

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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Hi Form engineers and Form finance department, you have my attention and desire to purchase this. Can you provide answers to the following questions: 1. How much will this cost to purchase? 2. Will their be a subscription fee? 3. How is the Point system installed, from the video it appeared to be a magnet? 4. When is the actual release timeline, so I can start figuring out where I can put this in my house or if I sho…

wrt #5- Little known secret, most successful Kickstarter campaigns have 25% of their demand already assessed and paid for up front. (yes, this includes the infamous Pebble). Since KS is so ubiquitous, it's now generally regarded as a PR/marketing platform as opposed to a funding platform. It would make total sense for these guys to do Kickstarter.

When talking to people who had run successful campaigns before us, we found that having an audience and a mailing list beforehand was the key driving success factor. Prior to yesterday we had about 200 people, mostly consisting of friends and family. This is the real thing. No one has committed to buying Point, but we hope that some will!

(I'm on the Form team)

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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Form engineer here. We're not planning on shipping our firmware signing keys along with our product like Belkin did. Jokes aside, security, integrity and trust are our very top priorities. The hardware is designed in a way that should be extremely hard to misuse, and even if someone would be able to break the encrypted protocols, the encrypted and signed firmware images and manage to run custom firmwares on the MCU:s…

As a fellow embedded design engineer, I would advise you to read up a bit on the Greek gods Hubris and Nemesis .

I wouldn't call it hubris when we're saying that we know of these aspects, consider them our most important design constraints and do our very best to address them. Not being a native English speaker, it perhaps didn't come through humble enough :)

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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Hi Form engineers and Form finance department, you have my attention and desire to purchase this. Can you provide answers to the following questions: 1. How much will this cost to purchase? 2. Will their be a subscription fee? 3. How is the Point system installed, from the video it appeared to be a magnet? 4. When is the actual release timeline, so I can start figuring out where I can put this in my house or if I sho…

Hi Agustus!

Form finance and 1/5 of the engineering department here. :)

1. The Kickstarter price will be $79, with early-bird options for less. Retail will be more expensive.

2. No.

3. There is a small metal plate with double-sided tape that you attach to your wall or ceiling. Point then attached with magnets.

4. This summer! Beta units earlier if you are OK with a rough experience.

5. We might look larger than we are. Right now, we're basically self-funded engineers. Kickstarter allows us to validate our prototype without committing serious cash to manufacturing deposits. Like several others have remarked, it also helps with marketing and early customer interaction. Win-win really.

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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wrt #5- Little known secret, most successful Kickstarter campaigns have 25% of their demand already assessed and paid for up front. (yes, this includes the infamous Pebble). Since KS is so ubiquitous, it's now generally regarded as a PR/marketing platform as opposed to a funding platform. It would make total sense for these guys to do Kickstarter.

When talking to people who had run successful campaigns before us, we found that having an audience and a mailing list beforehand was the key driving success factor. Prior to yesterday we had about 200 people, mostly consisting of friends and family. This is the real thing. No one has committed to buying Point, but we hope that some will! (I'm on the Form team)

Yup, even though KS will take a cut, it's worth getting those people who will pay to do it through KS. It's a very strong signal on your KS campaign page if by the time the buzz hits that you have 25% of your money already there, you'll convert way more than if you only had say 5%. Social proof is a huge factor in sales. The KS campaigns that are are successful and haven't use this technique are generally outliers.

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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We're using plain batteries and wifi to avoid using cables, thus making it much easier and elegant to install. That also means the device is completely self-contained, so you don't need any base stations or gateways to connect it to the internet. It's just plug-and-forget. I wouldn't call 802.11bgn "shoddy"; it's basic infrastructure already available in most people's homes these days.

Until the power goes out, the router gets funky, etc. Also, it complicates wireless security config - can a non-tech figure out how to configure security with their router? Does being self-contained mean isolated and non-expandable? Add a remote GSM/CDMA option. Hook up with a 24/7 service center to provide monitoring subscriptions without contract (a la Simplisafe). What about integration with door and window sensor…

If the power goes out or the router gets funky, most internet connected solutions would go offline anyway. But, being battery powered, Point would at least still be active and keep track of things. The fact that the device has lost it's connection to the cloud will trigger a notification to the owner as well. The wireless configuration is done using an app and should be straight forward for most users. As long as the router is securely configured and the user is capable to connect a phone or laptop, installing Point should be piece of cake. As for being self-contained, we mean that it is plug-and-forget, without any cables or base stations. There might be methods of expanding the set of sensors, although at the moment, you see what you get. Adding a cellular modem to the device would make it deviate too much from our current concept in terms of cost (both manufacturing and recurring costs for the cell network usage) and power consumption, but it is something we might include in a future, special version for places without a permanent internet connection, like a cabin or boat.

Re: Point – A smart house sitter

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As a fellow embedded design engineer, I would advise you to read up a bit on the Greek gods Hubris and Nemesis .

So you're suggesting they just give up?

No, not at all - I'm just saying it is a mistake to laugh at Belkin's misfortunes.
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