Maybe if antirez doesn't want to read others simplistic responses on Twitter, he shouldn't make simplistic statements on Twitter. It's clearly a medium that doesn't convey nuance very well. There was a great deal of misinterpretation and talking past one another on all sides including his. This was actually a continuation of a conversation that has been going on for several days, starting with an issue even more seri…
Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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Conversations on Twitter? I use Twitter as read-only for information to see what certain people and groups are up to in near real-time.
There's more than one way to Twitter. If you know some people on it personally, you're more likely to engage in conversations.
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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God, I know. I keep hearing about conversations and such on twitter, while I have a hard time fitting a single thought into a tweet, much less a thoughtful response to someone's query. Look! Even that sentence was longer than a tweet! I don't know how people do it.
Terseness is a learned skill. Verbosity is too. They're not mutually exclusive, you can apply them where they work. And they're both useful. (That's exactly 140 characters for you :) )
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
#84Maybe if antirez doesn't want to read others simplistic responses on Twitter, he shouldn't make simplistic statements on Twitter. It's clearly a medium that doesn't convey nuance very well. There was a great deal of misinterpretation and talking past one another on all sides including his. This was actually a continuation of a conversation that has been going on for several days, starting with an issue even more seri…
That's the thing: Redis has no read repair strategy. Redis has a "be an exact copy of your master" strategy. It's not a secret. It's the exact design.
The complaints are like yelling at Linus when you rm -rf / your entire machine. Sure, it sucks, but it's a repercussion if your own actions, not a fault in the system. If you don't want to rm -rf / your machine, go use an OS designed for babies (cough ubuntu cough).
(Plus, there are already Redis improvements (designed within a day or two of the original problem being reported) to provide workarounds to users who _do_ want to run that exact use case. The answer to problems is solutions—not complaining and blaming endlessly.)
"the 99% percentile is bad" in a more negative way than he intended?
Text. It's only text. You can't read the intonation and people want to read absolutes. People want to read anger. Always anger. Always confrontation. It's possible the author of the text didn't mean to insult your mother. Breathe. It'll be okay.
The entire goal of the Internet is to get ALL THE ATTENTION YOURSELF. If anybody hates you online, it's because you got attention and they didn't. Nobody hates insignificant people. So, often times people with lower profiles/attention in conversations will try to increase their attention profile by arguing/hating the high-attention people.
If people hate you, you've already won.
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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There's more than one way to Twitter. If you know some people on it personally, you're more likely to engage in conversations.
There are people I do know on Twitter but do not converse with them on there. I email, text, or IM them. Always use the best tools that are available...
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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Terseness is a learned skill. Verbosity is too. They're not mutually exclusive, you can apply them where they work. And they're both useful. (That's exactly 140 characters for you :) )
Being terse is not a good thing. Being succinct is.
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
#87Maybe if antirez doesn't want to read others simplistic responses on Twitter, he shouldn't make simplistic statements on Twitter. It's clearly a medium that doesn't convey nuance very well. There was a great deal of misinterpretation and talking past one another on all sides including his. This was actually a continuation of a conversation that has been going on for several days, starting with an issue even more seri…
This whole little teapot tempest may be a people problem, but many of the issues brought up in the article - removal of context, selective re-tweets, general nastiness - are Twitter problems.
Everyone likes being right + feeling important. Everyone is lazy. No one wants to be called out on it.
If you are forced to keep it <140 char then no one can fault you for being lazy with your replies and critiques. Of course people are going to jump in and offer their brilliant opinions. Think about the low-cost high they can get.
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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I believe that small blogs and RSS/ATOM are a good answer here. I can't and don't want to follow high-volume streams, be it Twitter or "news" blogs. However, if you combine 20 interesting but low-volume blogs in your feed reader, you will always know when something interesting happened, without having to check all those sites by hand. (Of course I also have high-volume sites in my feed reader, but that's more for "ne…
But what's Twitters advantage over good ol' RSS or ATOM for this use case?
RSS and Atom allow for people to tell the people on the other islands about what they wrote but it's a one-way message. For an interaction to occur someone has to go over to the private island.
With blogs the entire process of publishing, reading and responding is privatized and fragmented.
Twitter is a centralized location that unites publishing, reading and interaction in one faux-public location. There is utility in these kinds of social networks. The issue is that they are not public places.
Twitter controls how the information is written and read. Twitter optimizes for their own private interests that have nothing to do with intelligent discourse. In the early days, Twitter was an open platform with a large number of competing clients. Early users and developers invented the core interactions that we see now see on Twitter. Hashtags and retweets were not invented by Twitter.
Twitter has since put their API on lock down. They alone have the right and ability to make clients. As a publicly traded company they're now required by law to create products that increase shareholder profits. The evolution of the platform is out of the hands of anyone but the managers of a private company.
I hope it doesn't come as a surprise that intelligent public discourse is not as profitable as the cheap and simple thrills that seem to be the core of social interactions on the Internet these days.
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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Being terse is not a good thing. Being succinct is.
As far as I know, the two are synonyms in common parlance. I chose 'terse' because it's the usual converse of 'verbose'.
To me, this is exactly the kind of nuance that is lost by training yourself to limit ideas to 140 characters.
Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter
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This whole little teapot tempest may be a people problem, but many of the issues brought up in the article - removal of context, selective re-tweets, general nastiness - are Twitter problems.
I think they are people problems. Everyone likes being right + feeling important. Everyone is lazy. No one wants to be called out on it. If you are forced to keep it <140 char then no one can fault you for being lazy with your replies and critiques. Of course people are going to jump in and offer their brilliant opinions. Think about the low-cost high they can get.
When I say something is a "Twitter problem," I mean that these patterns are less prevalent on other platforms. I mean that Twitter has created a scaffold for communication that encourages certain bad behaviors.
One example: If I were to pluck the middle sentence from your response and criticize you for saying that "Everyone is lazy" here on HN, I'd be down voted into oblivion because I am obviously being a jackass. Twitter's structure can make it very hard to see when someone is being misquoted or their views misrepresented. It's the Fox News Soundbite version of online discussions.