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Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by pcwalton »

bzbarsky wrote: post #68
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not an accident that Google's webservices work best (sometimes only) in Chrome. A web service that only works in Chrome? Maybe you mean web application (web service would be really odd to work in just one browser). Do you have a source for this regardless? I hadn't heard of this.

I mean the services Google provides to users in the form of web applications, yes. The terminology is sucky. As for concrete examples, Hangouts only works in non-Chrome browsers (including ones with WebRTC support) if you install a Google-provided binary blob. Which you may not be able to do. Gmail only supports offline access in Chrome (see https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en the "two exceptions" bit).…

Google Inbox is also Chrome-only. It UA sniffs and tells you to download Chrome if you aren't using it.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by jacquesm »

IvyMike wrote: post #54
jacquesm wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There never was a good reason for Chrome to exist in the first place. Content companies should not produce browsers, it is too much of a temptation for them to optimize their content for their own browser and vv.

> There never was a good reason for Chrome to exist in the first place. Chrome kicked off the browser performance wars, especially javascript. A fast and performant web was important to any strategy Google could have had, regardless of their status as a good or evil company.

Chrome does not exist to give the world a fast and performant web, it exists to give google full control over the audience from request to delivery, it exists to increase google's control and serves as a collection mechanism for data that it would not otherwise get at.

That it's a performant browser is a side-effect.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by Tiksi »

gojomo wrote: post #22
Igglyboo wrote: post #17

As soon as firefox gets per process tabs in stable I'll switch back, I really want to switch from chrome but that's a deal killer for me.

I could survive without processes-per-tab, if Firefox gave some hint – any hint! – which tabs are being naughty. Maybe just a per-tab counter of allocations, or timeouts, or DOM edits, or some other operation? Anything that serves as a proxy for "more active than average while not in foreground".

It's not exactly what you're looking for, but try going to about:memory and hitting Measure. It gives per object allocations:

    │  ├────6.04 MB (01.59%) -- top(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8518903, id=105)
    │  │    ├──5.89 MB (01.55%) -- active/window(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8518903)
    │  │    │  ├──4.64 MB (01.22%) ++ layout
    │  │    │  └──1.25 MB (00.33%) ++ (4 tiny)
    │  │    └──0.15 MB (00.04%) ++ js-zone(0x7fb875a85800)

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by jacquesm »

orthecreedence wrote: post #5

Firefox is awesome and I love it, but my one complaint after all these years is that I have to restart the browser every day. It's not the end of the world, but it's still frustrating, especially when I'm in the throes of debugging or important research. Over the course of a day, the browser becomes unresponsive and CPU usage idles at 10-15%. Restarting with the same tabs brings it down to 0%. Yes, I know, disable ad…

I have hundreds (not kidding here, it's the nature of my work) of tabs open routinely for days or even weeks on end and this is not an issue for me. This is under Linux (which may be a factor) on a machine with plenty of RAM (which may be another factor), firefox is extremely stable and if it goes down it is because I power off the machine.

Do you have any plug-ins or add-ons installed that might be the cause of this problem? If you do I suggest you disable all plug-ins and then slowly re-enable them to figure out if any one of those is the culprit.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by [deleted] »

swartkrans wrote: post #73
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

I'm using Opera instead of Chrome. I use Chrome Canary for web dev, but Opera is basically Chrome sans-Google. It's got all the same features as Chrome as it's based on Chromium. Just none of the Google account features. I've also dumped gmail for fastmail and am trying out duckduckgo, but if that doesn't work out I'll just use Google in an incognito window.

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Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by quaunaut »

CarlHoerberg wrote: post #57
quaunaut wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, my issue with Firefox all comes back to the Omnibar: I just like how Google does it better. And the only Firefox plugin I've seen that gets similar to that behavior, is slower at every step of the way. Also, having to manually add every search engine is a hassle even if you are willing to put up with the extra steps that plugin asks. I really like Google, but I want to support open source(and am not quite w…

That's fixed in 33: http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/faster-and-snappier-...

That doesn't really fix what I like most.

I like being able to hit a, see Amazon.com hilighted, hit tab, and have that be searching Amazon.

Or to do the same thing with GMail, Wikipedia, Youtube. It's the core functionality I like most with Chrome.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by bobajeff »

>This puts us in a position of strength, so we can say "these benchmarks are not very interesting; let's talk about other benchmarks (e.g. asm.js-related) and language features" without being accused of being sore losers.

I'm looking forward to such a statement from Mozilla. The web needs mature suppott for languages other than JavaScript and C++/C are very widely used languages(as opposed to some new hobby language) and compile to JS tools are the only realistic way of getting there. So I can hardly wait until browser venders and standards organizations embrace efforts like Asm.js and the nessary extensions to make it support other memory and language models and features (Shared memory, SIMD, JVM languages etc.).

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by cpeterso »

bzbarsky wrote: post #68
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not an accident that Google's webservices work best (sometimes only) in Chrome. A web service that only works in Chrome? Maybe you mean web application (web service would be really odd to work in just one browser). Do you have a source for this regardless? I hadn't heard of this.

I mean the services Google provides to users in the form of web applications, yes. The terminology is sucky. As for concrete examples, Hangouts only works in non-Chrome browsers (including ones with WebRTC support) if you install a Google-provided binary blob. Which you may not be able to do. Gmail only supports offline access in Chrome (see https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en the "two exceptions" bit).…

> Hangouts only works in non-Chrome browsers (including ones with WebRTC support) if you install a Google-provided binary blob.

The Google Hangouts website uses some carefully-constructed language to imply that people must download Chrome to use Hangouts, even though a Hangouts NPAPI plugin supposedly exists:

https://www.google.com/hangouts/

  The Hangouts Chrome extension won't work in your current browser. You'll need to
  download Chrome before installing the Hangouts Chrome extension. Do you want to
  download Chrome now?
Google+ photo editing is another Google feature that requires Chrome. I believe it uses NaCL to optimize some photo effects.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by Sephr »

Octane now includes asm.js benchmarks, and V8 doesn't attempt to support "use asm". This gives SpiderMonkey an advantage in the benchmark.

I think it's quite impressive how close V8 is in performance to SpiderMonkey which actually goes out of it's way to support "use asm".

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

#90

Post by gojomo »

Tiksi wrote: post #83
gojomo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could survive without processes-per-tab, if Firefox gave some hint – any hint! – which tabs are being naughty. Maybe just a per-tab counter of allocations, or timeouts, or DOM edits, or some other operation? Anything that serves as a proxy for "more active than average while not in foreground".

It's not exactly what you're looking for, but try going to about:memory and hitting Measure. It gives per object allocations: │ ├────6.04 MB (01.59%) -- top(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8518903, id=105) │ │ ├──5.89 MB (01.55%) -- active/window(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8518903) │ │ │ ├──4.64 MB (01.22%) ++ layout │ │ │ └──1.25 MB (00.33%) ++ (4 tiny) │ │ └──0.15 MB (00.04%) ++ js-zone(0x7fb875a8580…

Unfortunately, the 'problem tabs' rarely seem correlated with standout numbers on that readout, but rather some other ongoing activity.
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