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Re: Persuade xor Discover

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When people dislike something intensely, the reason is not always what they claim, or even believe themselves. Try this thought experiment: if Arrington seemed like the nicest, most self-deprecating guy in the world-- like Father Mulcahy, for anyone who remembers MASH-- would people be so angry about his supposed lack of journalistic scruples?

Angry? No, because anger isn't the appropriate emotional response to such a person. But that doesn't mean that people would react positively , either. The response would simply be altered: people would likely try to work with him, try to correct his behavior as they saw fit, or dismiss him altogether. > When people dislike something intensely, the reason is not always what they claim, or even believe themselves. This…

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This is stunningly arrogant

No it's not. It's an obvious fact of human nature. One way to know this is by self-observation. That may seem oxymoronic (how can I observe something I am denying?) but with a bit of honesty it works well.

One tell-tale sign is when the emotional charge around something is incommensurate with the reason someone is giving. I think this may be going on here. The most common stated criticism of Arrington is that his journalistic standards are poor. But is everyone who says that really so passionate about journalistic standards in general? I kind of doubt it.

Re: Persuade xor Discover

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Because I'd rather offend people needlessly than use needless words, and you have to choose one or the other.

Reminds me of a quote from Robert Heinlein

"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untravelled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as 'empty,' 'meaningless,' or 'dishonest,' and scorn to use them. No matter how pure their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work too well at best."

Re: Persuade xor Discover

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The valley has a whole has been a letdown. The city is nice but no better than many other cities. South bay is a string of ok small towns with little to no decent nightlife. I've met many fine engineers, plenty of talented and smart people no doubt, but to be honest it's not that there aren't equally smart and talented people elsewhere. I consider some of the people I work with to be world class... but not better tha…

I guess it depends what you consider important. I moved here recently. I don't disagree with much of what you say - but for me nightlife, social circles, name-dropping, and sycophants are only background elements. What I do think are important are: 1) the very talented people I meet that come to the valley from all over the world both to live and to attend the endless flow of conferences, 2) the entrepreneurs and res…

There are plenty of what you're saying for sure. I've had the same experience in other places - and also the experience that actually there's far less content than meets the eye. A LOT gets recycled and regurgitated endlessly. If you're not selling anything or trying to get anything then take the time to just sit back and listen. It starts getting surreal. Especially if you have 10 or 15 years of solid tech background and you realize there are far fewer "rock stars" than people think. Particularly the rock stars themselves.

That said - I'm really happy for you that you are finding it an exciting experience. Good luck with it! As I said before, I'm sure we'll have many more successful companies coming from here. Hopefully some of them will create lasting value.

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come to Cambridge, UK. Nice city, people and startups.

Nice place and people but awful weather IMHO. I'm rather partial to the warmer climes. I've heard the traffic is a hassle there? Can you comment?

The traffic is a hassle only in the rush hour. Most tech companies here operate on flexitime specifically so their employees can avoid it, which works pretty well.

Having said that, I haven't worked anywhere else. The perspective of someone who had would be useful.

Re: Persuade xor Discover

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Nice place and people but awful weather IMHO. I'm rather partial to the warmer climes. I've heard the traffic is a hassle there? Can you comment?

What other US cities have you considered? Boston? NYC? Seattle? Austin? Climate would lock you out of most of those places minus Austin.

I know all of those cities. I'm hoping to make it to austin city limits next month if my schedule cooperates. I've lived in NYC and visited Boston and and Seattle many times.

NYC is fun for a while. I could live there again. Seattle felt a bit small and depressed last time I was there. Austin just has hot and drunken live music memories. I need to visit in a more serious mood some time.

Re: Persuade xor Discover

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When people dislike something intensely, the reason is not always what they claim, or even believe themselves. Try this thought experiment: if Arrington seemed like the nicest, most self-deprecating guy in the world-- like Father Mulcahy, for anyone who remembers MASH-- would people be so angry about his supposed lack of journalistic scruples?

I'd still object to his publishing of the stolen Twitter memos under the pretense, contradicted by Ev, that he had permission, no matter how ingratiating he were about it. Other conduct, such as his baseless attack on Last.FM and his recent T-shirt gaffe, simply could not be formulated or carried out by the personality that you describe.

his baseless attack on Last.FM

Other commenters have referred to this as well. I'm curious: how do you know it was baseless? All I remember is an unsatisfyingly ambiguous they-said-they-said dispute that was never resolved in my mind (and apparently not Google's as well, because a quick search doesn't reveal anything). IIRC, Techcrunch printed what they said was a leaked email substantiating the base of their claim. Was that email a forgery?

Just to spray some anti-troll foam on this, I mean my questions strictly literally. I don't have a preference for the truth to be one way or the other. I'm just curious (mildly; enough to post the question) what it actually is.

Re: Persuade xor Discover

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I'd rather offend people needlessly than use needless words Just out of curiosity, have you ever discovered something that you thought would offend enough of your audience that there was no point publishing it?

"... Just out of curiosity, have you ever discovered something that you thought would offend enough of your audience that there was no point publishing it? ..."

read about "the conformist test" ~ http://paulgraham.com/say.html I've written a few things that on reflection after reading "can't say" I've thrown out.

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You know what Doctor Vinnie Boombatz would say about that one right?

Would someone explain the reference?

Doctor Vinnie Boombotz is Rodney Dangerfield's fictional doctor. (Rodney Dangerfield is a late American comedian.) Rodney had a famous joke that I will paraphrase below:

Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I raise my arm over my head."

Vinnie Boombatz: "Then don't raise your arm over your head."

mattmaroon is thus saying: if scrolling down to read TechCrunch comments hurts, don't scroll down to read TechCrunch comments.

Re: Persuade xor Discover

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Angry? No, because anger isn't the appropriate emotional response to such a person. But that doesn't mean that people would react positively , either. The response would simply be altered: people would likely try to work with him, try to correct his behavior as they saw fit, or dismiss him altogether. > When people dislike something intensely, the reason is not always what they claim, or even believe themselves. This…

> This is stunningly arrogant No it's not. It's an obvious fact of human nature. One way to know this is by self-observation. That may seem oxymoronic (how can I observe something I am denying?) but with a bit of honesty it works well. One tell-tale sign is when the emotional charge around something is incommensurate with the reason someone is giving. I think this may be going on here. The most common stated criticis…

Yeah, "journalistic standards" is rather like "legal ethics" and politicians' honesty, good for bashing the opposition, but not much in view otherwise. Does anyone actually trust anything they see in the NYT or WaPo? Really?
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