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Re: Draining California

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But expensive to transport relative to its value.

Expensive to transport in some cases but not others. In the scenario I was responding to it is quite cheap to transport water form the mountains past the farms to the cities because water flows down hill. Water that is not used in farming is available for use in the cities.

Right - that was my point as well - but you can only do that calculation in certain scenarios. Unlikely with a fungible product that has a high-value compared to its cost of transporting, in which case you can do it in many more scenarios.

I first heard the word, "fungible" from Dick Cheney of all people. It was in the context of Canada selling Oil through its ports to the Chinese instead of building a pipeline down to the United States, and his was response was, "That's fine. Oil is fungible." - I.E. Canada Selling Oil to the Chinese would be just as beneficial to the United States, as Canada Selling Oil to the United States, because the oil that we sold to the Chinese, would free up oil from other sellers, which would then go to the United States. All that mattered was that oil was produced and placed on the "Global" Market.

Water, on the other hand, is expensive to distribute compared to its generation, so water from Crystal Springs Reservoir, all 70,000,000 m^3 of it, really only has value for residential use. There is no agriculture competition for it.

In the case of the Sierra Nevada - I think we both concur that water is useful for both residential or agricultural use.

Re: Draining California

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Many people will often say agricultural uses 80% of the water. This is not the whole picture. "Nature provides about 200 million acre-feet of precipitation to California in average years. Of this total, 65% is lost through evaporation and transpiration by trees and other plants. The remaining 35% stays in the state’s system as runoff. More than 30% of this runoff flows out to the Pacific Ocean or other salt sinks. Th…

There are entire blocks in the Sunset District of San Francisco that appear to be an almost-flat expanse of concrete. The concrete is not flat but rather slightly domed (convex). These are covered reservoirs.

Re: Draining California

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Big problems, create big opportunities. Some of the developments that may occur to address this issue over the next 10+ years: - Development of a robust water entitlement exchange - Decoupling a water right from the land to create a more tradable asset - Regulation change to allow for water leases - A shift away from growing 'thirsty' crops in drought-prone regions - Decentralization of water treatment plants to redu…

Why would state sponsored overseas farming of thirsty crops for US import be desirable?

It's something that's occurring elsewhere in the world on the basis of a) a population wanting to consume a thirsty crop such as rice, which requires water they don't have; and, b) not wanting to give up its food security and rely on traditional imports.

I don't know that this is something the US has done but the motivators noted above still stand.

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