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Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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His copyright notice and explanatory paragraphs make it clear he's trying to keep some level of control over those photographs, while still sharing them with "his community" - which means I feel a little uneasy about having archive.org unilaterally slurp the images up like that... I know it's kind of a losing battle, but "publicly available" does not mean "in public domain".

How do you feel about google images?

Pretty much the same - "uneasy".

I'm enormously grateful it exists when I want to use it, but still have a distinct feeling it's "not OK" to do that with other people's images (and especially not just relying on the "but you didn't put anything in robots.txt to say we couldn't do whatever the hell we wanted with your pictures! And we _credited_ you!!!" excuse).

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Not sure where this myth started, the idea that somehow AC is less dangerous to handle at high voltages over DC. Wall socket AC alternates at ~50Hz, that's an oscillation every 0.02sec, for perspective, the average human reaction time is in the range of 0.15 to 0.3sec [Wikipedia]. There almost no chance that you willingly disengage a circuit once it's made for both high voltage AC or DC. Be careful whenever handling…

That's not a myth, it's a fact and reaction time has nothing to do with it. You're not consciously pulling back, your muscles will simply stop contracting for a short bit after which you (hopefully) disconnect. The DC damage is a condition called 'muscular tetanus'. The main risk with AC at medium voltages (say 40 to 250 V) is that your heart goes haywire. Though those voltages could easily kill you too. Yes, you sho…

You kind of jump around from point to point. If your hand is wrapped around a a source of electricity (Assuming that it's not static charge and can provide a current equal to the source voltage over your bodies resistance) I'm sorry but you are not going to let go, even if you are hanging from the wire. Until a formation of soot has formed and the oils in your hands have burned off to increase the resistance, there is no letting go.

Let me give a couple of reasons why AC just as dangerous as DC.

1) Your body shares some of the same characteristics a capacitor, a capacitor with small capacitance, but one none the less. This means that an AC current can shock you without forming a classical circuit that would be needed for a shock from DC.

2) You mention RMS as a reason why AC is safer? The root mean squared voltage of AC is going to be less then the peak voltage induced by the name plate voltage. Wall socket voltage may by 120V RMS but will peak around 170V.

3) With a peak voltage of 170V the current through a resistor (like a human body) is going to be ~40% greater than that of an average 120V for DC. Stating that current kills but voltage doesn't is also ridiculous (unless you are talking about static charges). It would be like saying that the flow rate of water down a stream is dependent on the amount of water in the stream and not the speed of the flowing water. The fallacy is also point out in the link your provided.

4) Hearts are much more likely to suffer from complication due alternating current than from direct current

Again, I stand by my initial assertion, both AC and DC are just as dangerous. Anecdotal stories, while entertaining, don't mean much considering that you may have been hydrated while dealing with DC, which can increase the bodies internal resistance greatly. You may have been more grounded, you may have been touching a piece of metal that was grounded, the circuit may have been created across the chest which gives a nasty shock. There are many external variables which can alter your perception of what it feeling like while being electrocuted.

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a myth, it's a fact and reaction time has nothing to do with it. You're not consciously pulling back, your muscles will simply stop contracting for a short bit after which you (hopefully) disconnect. The DC damage is a condition called 'muscular tetanus'. The main risk with AC at medium voltages (say 40 to 250 V) is that your heart goes haywire. Though those voltages could easily kill you too. Yes, you sho…

You kind of jump around from point to point. If your hand is wrapped around a a source of electricity (Assuming that it's not static charge and can provide a current equal to the source voltage over your bodies resistance) I'm sorry but you are not going to let go, even if you are hanging from the wire. Until a formation of soot has formed and the oils in your hands have burned off to increase the resistance, there i…

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