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Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by jehb » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:10 PM UTC

Sorry, I'm pretty sure you meant Swift has reached 2.0. And that was a couple of months ago. Also why are you people talking about Swift like it's a programming language and not an object storage system? :)

http://opensource.com/business/14/7openstack-swift-brings-st...

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by jamhan » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:28 PM UTC

beggi wrote: post #4

codemac wrote: post #3

My brother has been using swift to learn some programming. I don't have a mac, let alone iTunes. Is there a legal way for me to download/purchase a manual to help him with his progress?

The language manual is free at apple.com

Here's a link to the iBook on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-swift-programming-langu...

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by danford » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:30 PM UTC

romanovcode wrote: post #77

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #71

Why is a programming language without any open source implementation getting so much attention?

Because it's Apple. When Swift was released every hipster and his cat jumped the wagon on how great it is. I even saw someone trying to make webstack out of it.

Don't know why you're getting down voted, sure Swift has some neat features, but if any other company released something like this that was closed source, no one would really care.

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by anentropic » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:39 PM UTC

danford wrote: post #83

romanovcode wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's Apple. When Swift was released every hipster and his cat jumped the wagon on how great it is. I even saw someone trying to make webstack out of it.

Don't know why you're getting down voted, sure Swift has some neat features, but if any other company released something like this that was closed source, no one would really care.

is/was Javascript open source?

what matters is the platform

no one cared if Javascript the language was open source when it was the only way to do client side scripting for web pages.

similarly Swift has iOS and OSX - other languages are available on these but I guess developers are anticipating Apple emphasising Swift over Objective-C going forward

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by PopsiclePete » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:42 PM UTC

I can't believe Apple would release a brand-new language with zero baked-in support for concurrency. In this day and age? Looks like developers will have to resort to 2nd grade efforts like GCD. I just don't get it. There's no excuse for it. Port Go's channels and go-routines to it, or something else, but come on - it's 2014, not 1998?

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by danford » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:47 PM UTC

anentropic wrote: post #84

danford wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't know why you're getting down voted, sure Swift has some neat features, but if any other company released something like this that was closed source, no one would really care.

is/was Javascript open source? what matters is the platform no one cared if Javascript the language was open source when it was the only way to do client side scripting for web pages. similarly Swift has iOS and OSX - other languages are available on these but I guess developers are anticipating Apple emphasising Swift over Objective-C going forward

Well it's hard to say that JS had this much attention in 1995. Let's give swift 20 years and see where it takes us?

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by eddieroger » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:47 PM UTC

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #71

Why is a programming language without any open source implementation getting so much attention?

Why does it matter that it's not open source? There is plenty of closed-source stuff on here all the time. Maybe it's getting attention because the iPhone is still an incredibly profitable platform to code for, and a lot of people on here are involved in that.

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by eddieroger » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:48 PM UTC

cdnsteve wrote: post #9

That's fantastic! Now, too bad I can't watch your video tutorials on my Macbook Pro using Chrome. Or Windows 7 using Chrome. The messaging on the site declares it requires Safari. So much of the open web... Quietly moves along to Android.

> Quietly moves along to Android.

That wasn't very quiet at all.

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by 72deluxe » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:49 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #70

72deluxe wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think without the supporting runtime libraries also being open-source, there isn't any point in open-sourcing the language is there? I mean, look at GNUStep. Not widespread adoption.

Agreed. I gave up following GNUStep back in 2003, the last time I used WindowMaker as my window manager.

Fond memories. I used to use WindowMaker on my old RH 6.2 system (or was it 7?), maybe even Fedora 1. But I never understood the dock - I was expecting a Windows-style task bar and the dock really isn't that.

The fact that it sat beneath other windows meant you had to constantly shift windows to get to it, which I found frustrating. Likely a configuration option?

It probably runs excellently on modern hardware, albeit with no GPU acceleration or anything to reduce main CPU cycles.

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Post by CmonDev » Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 12:57 PM UTC

DAddYE wrote: post #36

xasos wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open-sourcing it would be really cool to see. Chris Lattner last said he wasn't sure if they were going to open source it ( http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2014-June/073698.... )

Yep, we damn need a bit of more competition within bigs, right now seems just between Google and Mozilla (for the type of language).

C# is in front of all three in mobile space (it compiles to native of course).

C# is the only language that is both modern and spans all major mobile platforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xamarin