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SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

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Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

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As an experimental vehicle, you're generally supposed to be pushing the limits of what it can do to find those limits. Essentially, they're saying "no accidents means we aren't trying hard enough to break the thing".

It's interesting how diametrically different are the mindsets of engineers in one hand and the general public on the other. When I saw the video I thought it was a very bad news for SpaceX's name and I imagine some people might think the same. Like that one time when a Tesla car got fire. I remember reading news that highlighted the dangers of electric cars, etc., but then some commentators quickly pointed out the ob…

I see a difference between SpaceX and Tesla in this regard: Tesla had a production car catch on fire with a customer using it, while SpaceX broke their rocket doing an experiment with rockets during development.

It seems pretty reasonable you break your things while you're testing them out - I mean, we've all see those car crash commercials, right?

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

#82

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Not only do these rockets have them, but manned craft like the Space Shuttle are destructible from the ground (one hopes the encryption keys are well-protected). You don't want an out-of-control bomb heading towards Orlando. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_safety#Range_safety_in_US...

Actually, your link states that the orbiter wasn't destructible.

It wasn't much of a bomb in comparison to the rest of the components.

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

#83

"the flight termination system automatically terminated the mission"... by blowing itself up?

How else would you terminate an active rocket flying through the air?

Land it safely on the ground 20 or 30 feet from where it took off, obviously

/s

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

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SpaceX will be in possession of some... Probably just not ready to release it yet.

I don't think they will release anything. Have they ever released any videos of their early failures?

Yes they have, for example http://youtu.be/0a_00nJ_Y88

Edit: and http://youtu.be/Qz0yJ8N3cA0

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

#85
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No, they can't. Once you're supersonic, the aerodynamic stress will tear a rocket into shreds if there's even a few degrees of angle of attack.

But if you're high enough, the forces are not very high, so there's probably a Q limit, (that is, proportional to density * speed^2).

Yeah, the landing attempts obviously flip before entry, while they're out of the atmosphere.

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

#86

Huh. Why did the explosion produce two distinct, different-colored smoke clouds? Also, what's the environmental impact of this kind of accident?

The rocket has two tanks, one with kerosene, one with liquid oxygen. I bet the black fireball is the kerosene burning, the white cloud is the liquid oxygen vaporizing.

Environmental impact is likely small, the kerosene would have burned anyway and there are little other hazardous chemicals on board. (Unlike for example the Proton failure linked by kryptisk above which is fueled with really nasty hypergolic fuels.)

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#87
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It does matter. I doubt you'll load 300 willing passengers on a 747 if it was widely known it had a self destruct. I would guess each case has to weigh its pros and cons for inclusion of a system. There is such thing as acceptable risk to population. If FAA mandated them carte blanche, Michael Bay movies would become documentaries.

A 747 isn't a spacecraft travelling at supersonic speeds, so it's not really the type of craft relevant to the discussion. Cars, buses and boats also aren't loaded with self-destruct mechanisms for obvious reasons.

Obvious enough that I had assumed craft = aircraft as well since you can "take the keys out" of ground/water vehicles. I was challenging the thought that every aircraft needs self destruct, as I suspect it's a minority. If as you say supersonic capability is the threat threshold, fighter jets/rockets would have them but a C-5 Galaxy and Blackhawk might not (I don't know, I'm speculating).

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

#88
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Shit happens. Especially when you have a requirement for US citizenship for your employees...

That is factually incorrect. You do not have to be a US citizen to work there. You do, however, with few exceptions, have to be a US permanent resident.

And those rules are the US government's, not SpaceX's.

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

#89
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How else would you terminate an active rocket flying through the air?

Land it safely on the ground 20 or 30 feet from where it took off, obviously /s

No, that would be "completing" the mission, not "terminating" it... ;-)

Re: SpaceX rocket explodes during testing over Texas

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The Falcon 9 explodes again? ...While the European Vega rocket (aimed at the same size of payloads, but much more versatile of the Falcon 9[1]) is 3 success out of 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_rocket The political will to create a private market for rockets is strong in US. So strong that a lot of American public money has been used to save SpaxeX from failure, multiple time. But concretely, what's the point…

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