WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, YOUNG MAN? WHY WERE YOU IGNORING MY CALLS? checks GPS log, sees school does child's homework for him applies to college for him goes on job interviews for him
you forgot, wipes butt for him
I thought that was implied :)
Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
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Huh, I have never seen this, thanks! (OT nitpick: her name is actually 'danah boyd' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danah_Boyd#Early_life )
OT nitpick: It's not actually her name, it's the name she prefers for political and aesthetical reasons, and the most civil and polite thing to do is to accommodate that preference. But her actual name is Danah Boyd, just like Snoop Doggs actual name is Calvin Cordozar Broadus, Jr.
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Re: Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huh, I have never seen this, thanks! (OT nitpick: her name is actually 'danah boyd' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danah_Boyd#Early_life )
OT nitpick: It's not actually her name, it's the name she prefers for political and aesthetical reasons, and the most civil and polite thing to do is to accommodate that preference. But her actual name is Danah Boyd, just like Snoop Doggs actual name is Calvin Cordozar Broadus, Jr.
from http://www.danah.org/name.html:
in the summer of 2000, i finally had legal paperwork acknowledging my name as i saw fit: danah michele boydRe: Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree the app isn't a solution to disicpline problems, but the problem of a child not calling back is not really a discipline issue. If you have proper trust and be sure to not over-check the child, this isn't as much of an issue - 'hey, that's my mom, she doesn't usually call, i better answer this' is Very easy when the kid has proof. It is also pretty easy to talk to a child to see why they might not have called…
I don't think you or jpfielding have any real experience raising kids. That's pretty clear from your smug assumption that children are reasonable people who will see the error of their ways if only their parents took the time to explain it to them and pander to whatever way the child wants to go about subverting parental authority. Let me clue you into reality. When kids pop out, they are uncivilized savages. It take…
Dude, children aren't little savages.
The things you say, they do not hold true across cultures. Sure, things should be developmentally adjusted and it is true that people's brain develops until around 25, but none of this at all makes them savages.
Watch classrooms. Teachers that treat students like savages get savages as students. Teachers that talk in a reasonable way to students (adjusted for kids understanding) tend to have better behaved students.
Sorry, man. Children aren't savages. Like adults, a few wind up bad, but most... nah.
Re: Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
#85If you thought your kids didn't like you before, wait until you install something like this on their phone. Emotions are weird, if you're sitting around worrying about your child then you need a hobby. If it's really a problem that your child goes somewhere without texting you if you asked them to then don't let them go out next time. If they are in college and don't answer your calls, then leave them alone, find som…
> What if your significant other installed a similar app on your phone? Would piss you off, right? // Attempting to equate spousal (or similar) relationships with parent-child relationships suggests you either have no clue about how adults in such a relationship should relate to one-another or you have no clue about parenting. I've never said any of those unwanted idiomatic phrases but can still see a place in which…
> Suppose my child has absconded, ie gone off without telling me where they're going, I'm about to start my shift at work. Do I miss work and try and find them, or do I use this app and "force" them to respond indicating they're safe & well?
This is the equivalent of jerking a dog's leash. It's sad how ready some parents are to deny their children basic human dignity.
If you need to get to work and can't find your child, then whether you go to work or whether you run after your child is a simple matter of setting priorities and following through. Also, if your child takes off without telling you, and you have genuine reason to worry, then there's little reason to think this app will actually be of any help.
The only situation in which this app would "help" would be one where the child is not in any real danger/distress, but you'd still want to reassure yourself of the non-existence of danger (i.e. just calm your nerves), but are too lazy too actually take the steps necessary to do it properly. So lets trample that little human's dignity, for our own selfish desires, since there's only little they can do in return anyways, right?
This is disgusting.
The real tragedy here however is that children don't realize that they're actually the ones with the power in any parent-child relationship, until they've stopped being children and lost the respect for their parents. If they grasped the amount of power they hold, and occasionally jerked their parents around the same way, then these sort of apps most likely wouldn't exist.
Re: Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you or jpfielding have any real experience raising kids. That's pretty clear from your smug assumption that children are reasonable people who will see the error of their ways if only their parents took the time to explain it to them and pander to whatever way the child wants to go about subverting parental authority. Let me clue you into reality. When kids pop out, they are uncivilized savages. It take…
Dude, children aren't little savages. The things you say, they do not hold true across cultures. Sure, things should be developmentally adjusted and it is true that people's brain develops until around 25, but none of this at all makes them savages. Watch classrooms. Teachers that treat students like savages get savages as students. Teachers that talk in a reasonable way to students (adjusted for kids understanding)…
By definition, they are uncivilized savages. They are born not knowing how to behave in a civilized way. They also act like it too, from time to time.
Note that I explicitly and carefully said: "Unreasonable savagery can not be made civilized through reasonable discussion." The only reason that children can be taught to be civilized is because they do have some faculties of reason, and those abilities get stronger with age and appropriate training. When they are young, children learn best by imitation. So, of course, if a parent acts like savage, the child will too.
However, what we were talking about was the appropriate response to those times of "unreasonable savagery". So stop being a pedant, and changing the subject. Is a smartphone crippling app an appropriate tool for a parent to use in response to a teenager who is acting like an uncivilized tool? Absolutely. Is your view on children disconnected from reality? Absolutely. Do you also have wacky views on crime and punishment? I'm going to say yes there too.
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#87I find the negativity about this surprising. I live in a low income area - you would wish many parents around here cared this much and would helicopter their kids. I fear many of them are doomed from the start. I think this app is a last resort measure, not like a block on computer use but if the kid is being bad about something to get them to respond.
Being controlling is not the same thing as caring.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What if your significant other installed a similar app on your phone? Would piss you off, right? // Attempting to equate spousal (or similar) relationships with parent-child relationships suggests you either have no clue about how adults in such a relationship should relate to one-another or you have no clue about parenting. I've never said any of those unwanted idiomatic phrases but can still see a place in which…
> Suppose my child has absconded, ie gone off without telling me where they're going, I'm about to start my shift at work. Do I miss work and try and find them, or do I use this app and "force" them to respond indicating they're safe & well? This is the equivalent of jerking a dog's leash. It's sad how ready some parents are to deny their children basic human dignity. If you need to get to work and can't find your ch…
> This is the equivalent of jerking a dog's leash. It's sad how ready some parents are to deny their children basic human dignity.
Basic dignity? It's not their phones.
If you possess a work phone, and never respond to your bosses call there are consequences: you get fired, lose your income, and may soon find yourself on the streets in destitution.
If you possess a family phone, its not yours either and so you might expect consequences if you don't respond to the owners of it.
The alternative to this app is just taking away the kids phone, or grounding them (i.e imprisoning them). This is a bare slap on the wrist compared to all that.
Re: Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What if your significant other installed a similar app on your phone? Would piss you off, right? // Attempting to equate spousal (or similar) relationships with parent-child relationships suggests you either have no clue about how adults in such a relationship should relate to one-another or you have no clue about parenting. I've never said any of those unwanted idiomatic phrases but can still see a place in which…
> Suppose my child has absconded, ie gone off without telling me where they're going, I'm about to start my shift at work. Do I miss work and try and find them, or do I use this app and "force" them to respond indicating they're safe & well? I think what the parent is trying to suggest is that you go to work and not try to find them. If they're old enough not to require constant supervision, they'll come around.
What if you just need to talk to them, and you know they're blatantly ignoring you for no good reason?
Re: Ignore No More – lock your child's device until they call you back
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you or jpfielding have any real experience raising kids. That's pretty clear from your smug assumption that children are reasonable people who will see the error of their ways if only their parents took the time to explain it to them and pander to whatever way the child wants to go about subverting parental authority. Let me clue you into reality. When kids pop out, they are uncivilized savages. It take…
It's strange. Everyone who's had a child is an expert on parenting. Yours is just one data point. Here's another: it's perfectly possible to actually trust teenagers without regarding them as savages, while still catching the bad stuff that inevitably happens. Different cultures tend to raise their kids differently. Many North American disciplinary actions are downright illegal here. Our kids still turn out fine.
Oh, look! Another Hacker News pedant come to pick meaningless holes in someone's comment.
I didn't say I was an expert on parenting. Did I?
Did I also say that teenagers are always and everywhere uncivilized savages? No. I made one over-the-top statement equating teenagers with cavemen, so I guess that's worth pointing out because it obviously proves that my entire comment was wrong, especially since that one statement can't be applied universally across time and space. Jeez...
Look, I've seen more than a few reasonable teenagers, but that's only because I roll with orthodox Catholics who actually believe what the Catholic Church teaches (without whining about it), and believe it's important to teach their kids how to be civilized. It's noteworthy that those teenagers only have dumbphones, if they have a cellphone at all.
So what if different cultures raise their kids differently? How does that negate anything I said? The children of one culture are born just as uncivilized as the children of any other culture. Civilization comes only from hard work. If you're a parent, imparting civilization to the uncivilized requires the right tools. If you're ok with giving your kid a smartphone, then it makes sense to have a tool to reel them back in when they can't resist the urge to abuse the freedom you've given them.
So, go take your pedantic inability to reason clearly, and participate more fully in whatever culture of deficient civility into which you were unfortunate to be born. I'm sure it'll turn out fine.