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The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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So people cannot just dismiss this thing as bullshit? What is the actual thinking of these individuals? I am having a really hard time relating to them.

From the small sample of victims I know of, they tend to be aspergic, have OCD, have not so strong a sense of self, and buy into all the LW versions of the transhumanist memes. They realise intellectually that it's a silly idea - but something about the story pushes all their buttons, perfectly wrongly. When I stsrted getting email from them (cos I edit RW, RW was pretty much the only place on the Internet that menti…

Thanks for explaining. So it sounds like it's not exactly a rational fear. To me, the concept of Roko's Basilisk seems too binary. I guess I am also too skeptical about the idea of a malevolent AI or benevolent AI.

What really got me was Eliezer's reaction:

> Listen to me very closely, you idiot. YOU DO NOT THINK IN SUFFICIENT DETAIL ABOUT SUPERINTELLIGENCES CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO BLACKMAIL YOU. THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE THING WHICH GIVES THEM A MOTIVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE BLACKMAIL. You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound intelligent when talking to your friends. This post was STUPID.

Roko's Basilisk is a fun paradox, but this type of reaction treats it like a real thing, which it is not.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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>When I stsrted getting email from them (cos I edit RW, RW was pretty much the only place on the Internet that mentioned the basilisk at the time, and LW refused to talk about it so they couldn't voice their concerns there), and found others at RW had been getting email too, I decided I had to do something to help because email wouldn't scale but it would be inhuman not to try to help. Hence the RW article on the bas…

You know, I spent last night writing an article about Stalin apologetics. You're hitting most of the notes: deflect blame, minimise numbers, grabbing any ambiguity, implying the victims deserved it and simultaneously that it didn't happen. It happened, LW did it entirely to itself, LW didn't give a shit about its distressed children and fully earnt every drop of the fallout. Denialism is unlikely to change this.

Okay, if you are going to ignore addressing my points, can you at least please give me the number of people who contacted you or Dymytry, because they were distressed about the basilisk. I am genuinely interested in those.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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You know, I spent last night writing an article about Stalin apologetics. You're hitting most of the notes: deflect blame, minimise numbers, grabbing any ambiguity, implying the victims deserved it and simultaneously that it didn't happen. It happened, LW did it entirely to itself, LW didn't give a shit about its distressed children and fully earnt every drop of the fallout. Denialism is unlikely to change this.

Okay, if you are going to ignore addressing my points, can you at least please give me the number of people who contacted you or Dymytry, because they were distressed about the basilisk. I am genuinely interested in those.

I had two contact me, no idea about Dmytry.

If you're sceptical in general that there was distress out there from LW's treatment of the issue ... evidently you haven't followed LW on the topic in the past four years.

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Okay, if you are going to ignore addressing my points, can you at least please give me the number of people who contacted you or Dymytry, because they were distressed about the basilisk. I am genuinely interested in those.

I had two contact me, no idea about Dmytry. If you're sceptical in general that there was distress out there from LW's treatment of the issue ... evidently you haven't followed LW on the topic in the past four years.

Thanks! I am skeptical that over 10 people have been genuinely distressed about the basilisk itself. I am definitely not skeptical of the general distress caused by the event - the censorship and the general handling of it had a pretty big negative impact on the community and its members.
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