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Re: Tesla Model III to challenge BMW 3 Series

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Post by JulianMorrison »

ruswick wrote: post #60
suprgeek wrote: post #10

A $35,000 price (before presumed tax rebates) would really make this car a very much more main-stream vehicle rather than a "Luxury Car". If they can pull off the whole charger network expansion thing, this will be Tesla's bread and butter car for a while.

This model will certainly allow Tesla to access a new and much larger group of potential customers, but I doubt it will be a "main-stream" vehicle. $35,000 is decidedly in the realm of high-end luxury cars (this car is still going to be far more expensive than the entry-level models from Mercedes, Audi and other prestige brands) and is still inaccessible to the vast majority of buyers, albeit not necessarily as exclu…

They cut the price in half, roughly, each time. That seems to be the plan.

Re: Tesla Model III to challenge BMW 3 Series

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Post by jasoncartwright »

kalleboo wrote: post #61
jasoncartwright wrote: post #7

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The Model S was launched in the UK last month - given the number of marketing emails I'm now getting from them, they appear to be doing a big sales push here.

Then wouldn't this be them Osbourning themselves?

No. This car isn't targeted at the luxury market, and is 3yrs away.

Re: Tesla Model III to challenge BMW 3 Series

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Post by pkulak »

wise_young_man wrote: post #75
pkulak wrote: post #68

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People shop on monthly payments. Say that gas is $5/gallon in three years (and I'm pretty sure that's conservative). For 1500 miles a month at 30 mpg, that's $250 a month in gas. Subtract that plus maintenance from your payment and you're getting into econobox territory. I think $35,000 will be a pretty big deal.

If you are going to consider the gas savings, you still need to remember that there are also electricity costs as well.

Yes, totally. Take off about $25 for the electricity. The numbers don't change too much.

Re: Tesla Model III to challenge BMW 3 Series

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Post by pkulak »

gcb4 wrote: post #77
pkulak wrote: post #68

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People shop on monthly payments. Say that gas is $5/gallon in three years (and I'm pretty sure that's conservative). For 1500 miles a month at 30 mpg, that's $250 a month in gas. Subtract that plus maintenance from your payment and you're getting into econobox territory. I think $35,000 will be a pretty big deal.

but nissan is already promising a 200 mile car for half the model 3 price... your argument is valid for prius today, not for model 3 whenever it's launched.

I agree 100%: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8040578

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Post by [deleted] »

martin_bech wrote: post #67
beachstartup wrote: post #58

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as a car guy, you should know that the p85+ is not on par with either the m5 comp or the e63 amg s. it's not as fast to 60mph/100kph and is not nearly as fast in the quarter mile. it's also significantly cheaper than either of those. the p85+ is 300 pounds heavier and produces 150hp LESS horsepower and torque than either of those cars. do the math. the new m5 and e63 are rip-your-face-off-fast. they run 11 second qua…

Cue link to a Tesla Model S beating a BMW M5. http://youtu.be/vvHTN0Yi1t4 You might want to do a testdrive yourself..

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Post by beachstartup »

martin_bech wrote: post #67
beachstartup wrote: post #58

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as a car guy, you should know that the p85+ is not on par with either the m5 comp or the e63 amg s. it's not as fast to 60mph/100kph and is not nearly as fast in the quarter mile. it's also significantly cheaper than either of those. the p85+ is 300 pounds heavier and produces 150hp LESS horsepower and torque than either of those cars. do the math. the new m5 and e63 are rip-your-face-off-fast. they run 11 second qua…

Cue link to a Tesla Model S beating a BMW M5. http://youtu.be/vvHTN0Yi1t4 You might want to do a testdrive yourself..

it doesn't matter how many poorly driven races you can find on youtube, the statistics are the statistics. the p85+ is not as powerful. period.

this isn't up for debate, it's a factual statement. the german cars are lighter and produce more power. they also cost a lot more, because winning is expensive.

Re: Tesla Model III to challenge BMW 3 Series

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Post by bradleyland »

martin_bech wrote: post #67
beachstartup wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a car guy, you should know that the p85+ is not on par with either the m5 comp or the e63 amg s. it's not as fast to 60mph/100kph and is not nearly as fast in the quarter mile. it's also significantly cheaper than either of those. the p85+ is 300 pounds heavier and produces 150hp LESS horsepower and torque than either of those cars. do the math. the new m5 and e63 are rip-your-face-off-fast. they run 11 second qua…

Cue link to a Tesla Model S beating a BMW M5. http://youtu.be/vvHTN0Yi1t4 You might want to do a testdrive yourself..

Beachstartup is right, I was being over-generous in my characterization when I said "on par". I really meant for the kind of driving you'd do every day, the cars are on par, but in raw performance, cars like the M5 and C63 AMG absolutely destroy the Model S P85+.

That video is a fluke. In (instrumented) test after test, the M5 is over 1 second faster 0-60, and more than 2 seconds faster down the quarter mile. That might not sound like a lot, but imagine a car drives by at 100+ MPH, now count...

one-thousand-one

one-thousand-two

How far down the road is that car now? That's the distance between an M5 and a 85P+ in the quarter mile.

There is a realm of performance at the very top end where the dino-powered engine still has an advantage. Electrics can achieve the same performance, but you're fighting an up-hill battle to get there. You have to make too many compromises along the way [1] in order to beat them. Right now, at least. It'll be slow coming, but I believe the transition to electric advantage is coming.

1: Here's an example of an extremely compromised all-out electric that is capable of beating its petrol powered equivalent. Have a look at 3:35 ish for a drag race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gFGX43vubM.

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