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Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by voltagex_ »

vacri wrote: post #77
pritambaral wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would've been helpful if the guide mentioned the required KVM and Qemu versions by their version numbers. Users like me (Arch Linux, Gentoo etc.) and Ubuntu, Fedors users in the future could check and avoid installing from source.

Looking up qemu-kvm in Ubuntu 14.04 now, it's version "2.0.0~rc1+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1", which is similar to the version in my Debian Jessie/Testing machine (2.0.0+dfsg-6). Time to try this out, methinks. Edit: try this out another time - you need access to an OSX machine to do various steps of the process.

Run the file utility over the DMG that you have. If it comes up as having a boot sector in it (aside from a hfsplus filesystem), you should be able to use qemu-img to convert it to something qemu or VirtualBox can use.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by 0x0 »

josteink wrote: post #78
0x0 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably because it's so new in QEMU. VMWare, for one, have been able to do this for quite a while with the effort of ~1 mouseclick. Edit: Not sure if troll or not?! Getting Linux to run as a guest in Xen 0.0.1 probably took some work, too.

VMWare, for one, have been able to do this for quite a while with the effort of ~1 mouseclick. Unless things have recently changed, this is factually incorrect. It might work on OSX, but that's not really the point, is it. For whatever reason, you may want to be able to run a general purpose X86 OS on your general purpose X86 hardware, or general purpose X86 cloud/cluster. For instance, getting OSX to run in a regula…

VMWare Fusion on OSX does it that easy.

Nobody's selling OSX as a "general purpose X86 os" for "general purpose X86 hardware" though. It's an OS for Apple hardware. It just so happens that the current versions run on x86_64 CPUs.

(Plus I don't think there exists a license allowing OSX to run on a regular ESX cluster. So if it breaks, obviously you get to keep both halves)

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by rlpb »

BillinghamJ wrote: post #26
Alupis wrote: post #18

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Very much so not true: http://fedoraproject.org/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ Download an ISO and install it. I think you will be surprised. Pop the disk in after burning to a CD/DVD. Click "install", reboot and you are done. Doesn't matter what your hardware is... it will install and work. Other than getting a computer with a pre-installed OS, it really can't get much simpler. Modern Linux Desktops do not require you to d…

It's at least 100x more difficult than opening a laptop screen and it already being done.

Then buy a laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed on it. Example: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by rlpb »

wtallis wrote: post #23
Alupis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much so not true: http://fedoraproject.org/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ Download an ISO and install it. I think you will be surprised. Pop the disk in after burning to a CD/DVD. Click "install", reboot and you are done. Doesn't matter what your hardware is... it will install and work. Other than getting a computer with a pre-installed OS, it really can't get much simpler. Modern Linux Desktops do not require you to d…

It will install and "work". But the 3d graphics won't. And even though it's pretty easy nowadays, it's still not easier than OS X, especially if you want to transfer files and settings from another machine.

It's not a like-for-like comparison when you restrict what OS X will run to what Apple say it will run on (ie. only their hardware) but you don't keep the same expectation by requiring your Linux distribution to run on some other, random hardware.

Buy an Ubuntu certified laptop (http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/) and then tell me that the 3d graphics won't work on Ubuntu.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by BillinghamJ »

clinton_sf wrote: post #74
kvmosx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was aware of this when posting. I am very thankful for that information and everyone who contributed to KVM, KVM-KMOD and QEMU repositories. I have moved the credit to the top of article. This was more as a reference and a quick guide (also because I couldn't achieve Mavericks via his research and therefore I have added it here). Thanks anyway.

What graphics card does Mac OS X think it's using when running in QEMU/KVM as you describe? Are you able to get different (more than 1200x800) resolutions? One of the major shortcomings of most of the "Mac OS X in a guest" efforts is that 3D hardware acceleration is disabled (unimplemented) in the guest video driver, which the Quartz compositing engine assumes will always be there. This results in weird video behavio…

The 3D hardware acceleration is not present. The purpose of this exercise was to have virtualized Xcode build slaves.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by knotty66 »

platz wrote: post #76
sdrothrock wrote: post #57

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I did it in about an hour or two, with most of the time being spent making the USB drive or actually installing. No problems. The catch is that I specifically found known-good laptops and then went and bought one. Ditto for the wifi card.

Could you share your source of known-good laptops?

If you want a really nice hackintosh laptop with good build quality and great performance for the money you can't go wrong with this:

A second hand i5 HP ProBook with 4GB RAM. £126. Add to this a 120GB Samsung EVO SSD for £55 from Amazon, and a £6 wifi card from eBay. Less than £200 all in.

Everything works out of the box on this laptop except the wifi, which you have to replace (or use a USB adapter).

I configured one last week. Mavericks runs perfectly. Quartz Express, Sleep/Wake, all works.

http://www.scctrade.co.uk/prod/hp-probook-6360b-core-i5-23gh...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-DW1520-CN-0KVCX1-LAPTOP-WIREL...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-120GB-Basic-Solid-State/dp/B...

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by lwh »

mentat wrote: post #24
josteink wrote: post #10

I find it humerus that getting osx to run in a controlled environment, useful for testing simulation etc takes more hacking and more work than any Linux distro ever did, even in the early days. Despite this Mac people insists getting Linux to work is "hard" when it mostly works out of the box on any hardware. Amazing.

"than any Linux distro ever did" - Remembering my stack of 32 floppies to install slackware and the level of understanding it took of drivers and hardware, I'm pretty sure that's not true.

While I remember "oh no disk 17 isn't working" better re-download and try again tomorrow, this is the closest to that level of pain I've encountered in a long time. What's sad is despite VMs for testing being the norm, the vendor is actively causing pain for devs and admins.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by laichzeit0 »

> Virtualizing OS X is a thing that can today be done very easily, with VMware and VirtualBox fully supporting it under OS X hosts

Having tried this in the past with Virtualbox there were some serious caveats.

If you still can't make Seamless mode in Virtualbox work under Linux and have accelerated graphics drivers then it's not worth trying to run OS X virtualized. It's a crap experience.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by Angostura »

pavlov wrote: post #22

I wish there was a reasonable way to run OS X on non-Apple hardware. Just today I was looking at the current Mac lineup, and there's not a single setup that works for me. Everything comes with underpowered Intel graphics, unless you pay the ridiculous price for a top-of-the-line MacBook Pro. Oh, if only I could have a Surface Pro 3 running OS X... I could live with the Intel graphics if it had Surface-style portabili…

> I wish there was a reasonable way to run OS X on non-Apple hardware.

The reason that Mac OS X updates are currently free is because the software development (and that of iLife and iWork and iCloud etc) is subsidised by the hardware. You can think of the Mac as a very elegant functional dongle, if you like. But the fact is, that's the way Apple structures its business.

Re: Running OS X Mavericks under QEMU with KVM

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Post by JohnBooty »

rbanffy wrote: post #62
pavlov wrote: post #22

I wish there was a reasonable way to run OS X on non-Apple hardware. Just today I was looking at the current Mac lineup, and there's not a single setup that works for me. Everything comes with underpowered Intel graphics, unless you pay the ridiculous price for a top-of-the-line MacBook Pro. Oh, if only I could have a Surface Pro 3 running OS X... I could live with the Intel graphics if it had Surface-style portabili…

> unless you pay the ridiculous price for a top-of-the-line MacBook Pro If you consider the time you'll spend tweaking your hackintosh into a useful state and the risk of bricking it on every update, it's actually a bargain. I wouldn't buy a Mac to run Linux, but I wouldn't buy anything else to run OSX.

That was my experience with "Hackintoshing" as well, back in the Leopard days. It was a fun, fun hack but the constant "will the next update break or brick my setup?" factor made it more of a curiosity than something that could be relied upon.
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