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LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

dredmorbius wrote: post #66
scythe wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>windowmaker - been around forever; hasn't really "innovated" in forever; just a NeXT clone if I remember correctly for GNUStep >enlightenment - okay, kind've resembles Win 95 too... but more of a DE than the others you listed > etoileos - last news update 2012 and wasn't even about the project What you seem to be missing is that these projects died because people thought they were weird , which is to say, innovation…

these projects died because people thought they were weird Actually, at least two of those (E and WindowMaker) remain alive. And WindowMaker's got its fervent fans (you're hearing from one here). While Raster's continued to plink away at Enlightenment, among the reasons WindowMaker development's been so modest is that it accomplished its mission : provide an implementation of the NexTstep interface. I use wmaker with…

window maker was pretty great. I wish they kept going with it. It's still one of the best window managers I've ever used.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by bgibson »

higherpurpose wrote: post #5

Please make the new LXQt prettier and more modern, too. I wish I would use LXDE/Lubuntu on older machines, but it's just so ugly I can't stand it. I think the next best thing for people like me right now is the MATE environment for Linux Mint, but it does use a bit more resources than LXDE, too.

If you want pretty, check out Elementary OS [1]. Ubuntu with the GUI rewritten in Vala and prettified. Closest Linux to a Mac so far.

[1]: http://elementaryos.org/

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by bgibson »

WoodenChair wrote: post #35

The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gno…

Check out Elementary OS - Ubuntu with the DE rewritten in Vala with design as priority: http://elementaryos.org/

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by dredmorbius »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #81
dredmorbius wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these projects died because people thought they were weird Actually, at least two of those (E and WindowMaker) remain alive. And WindowMaker's got its fervent fans (you're hearing from one here). While Raster's continued to plink away at Enlightenment, among the reasons WindowMaker development's been so modest is that it accomplished its mission : provide an implementation of the NexTstep interface. I use wmaker with…

window maker was pretty great. I wish they kept going with it. It's still one of the best window managers I've ever used.

As I said: you can still get it. It's packages with most distros (I'm running it on Debian).

The only thing that's not happening is a whole lot of development. And I'm actually totally OK with that.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by byuu »

WoodenChair wrote: post #35

The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gno…

If I want an environment for my cell phone or tablet, I'll use an environment designed for a cell phone or tablet; like Metro, Gnome, Unity and Android.

If I want an environment for my desktop, I'll use an environment designed for a desktop; like Windows 95 - 7, Gnome2, KDE3, Xfce and LXDE.

My desktop has a keyboard and a mouse, not a touchscreen. In fact, I really don't want to be touching my $1200 ZR30w monitor anyway, even if it were touch-enabled. Cell phone OSes on the desktop work about as well as desktop OSes do on cell phones. Play to strengths, do not reduce to the lowest common denominator.

If an idea objectively improves productivity, I will give it a fair chance. And we have certainly seen that since Windows 95: most notably with tabbed interfaces. But I can't stand change for the sake of change. Just because an idea is old does not mean it is bad.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by andrewstuart »

kijin wrote: post #76
scythe wrote: post #63

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Personally I think it's the goddamn panel; I've never seen a Linux panel that looks as nice as its counterparts on Windows and OS X. It seems like a small component, but it really "frames" the whole desktop environment -- like a drumbeat -- and in both OS X and Windows there are some complicated gradients in the panel that I'm almost certain were insisted on by some tweed-clad hipster with a title half a sentence lon…

It takes a professional designer (or rather, a dozen of them) to produce a professional-looking desktop theme. Which is exactly what the majority of FOSS projects lack. When you let a programmer dictate the design, you end up with a lot of features and a lot of misaligned margins. In my experience, many programmers just don't care about pixel-perfect designs. Yes, I'm talking about the same group of people who scoff…

OSX seems to make it very smooth.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by XorNot »

Pxtl wrote: post #77
hyperion2010 wrote: post #75

So I have been using fluxbox for 7 years now and it does nearly everything I need. There is one feature that I have been looking for that I have not seen in any window manager that I know: the ability to group windows so that they raise and lower together. Yes I have virtual desktops, but I really, really want to be able to link the terminal window I use to test a file I am editing, to the vim window where I am editi…

Honestly, I've always wanted a window-manager that mimicked Visual Studio's pin/dock slide-outs. That is, you can dock any task to any edge of the screen, and each edge can be sub-divided into panes. Each pane has multiple tabs, and each pane can be set to auto-hide or can be "pinned" to always-visible, which causes everything else to resize. It's a rather complicated approach, but I've never found any better multi-t…

Cinnamon is slowly moving in that direction I'd say. It has the ability to snap a window to the edge and have the dynamic-desktop size shrink to accomodate it (i.e. hitting maximize will only use the remaining unsnapped space).

I suspect it could be extended to use this to start setting up tiles automatically.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by tomorokoshi »

theGimp wrote: post #71
wtracy wrote: post #40

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http://etoileos.com/etoile/ http://fluxbox.org/screenshots/ http://awesome.naquadah.org/ http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/ http://windowmaker.org/

Funny, I've been looking for something like ratpoison for a while, and though the name seems familiar, I had never tried it before. I'm using it now... I think my search is over :) Thank you!

You might also like i3. I tried many tiling window managers, and i3 is my favorite. Its "manual tiling" works well with my brain.

Also see this comparison of tiling WMs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_Tiling_Wi...

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by jqm »

byuu wrote: post #85
WoodenChair wrote: post #35

The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gno…

If I want an environment for my cell phone or tablet, I'll use an environment designed for a cell phone or tablet; like Metro, Gnome, Unity and Android. If I want an environment for my desktop, I'll use an environment designed for a desktop; like Windows 95 - 7, Gnome2, KDE3, Xfce and LXDE. My desktop has a keyboard and a mouse, not a touchscreen. In fact, I really don't want to be touching my $1200 ZR30w monitor any…

“There are two kinds of fools. One says, "This is old, and therefore good." And one says, " This is new, and therefore better.” -John Brunner

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by jqm »

andrewstuart wrote: post #58

How come these things never look refined and polished? Always sort of half nice and Unix-clunk.

Out of the box yes, generally clunky.

But those I have played with, KDE, XFCE etc. (disclaimer.. I haven't tried this one) are generally very tunable and can look quite nice when customized.

I agree with poster who mentions the panel though. Usually they aren't so good. Although with a semi-transparent panel my KDE desktop looks pretty good to me at least.

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