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Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by jedberg »

gadders wrote: post #36

Slightly offtopic - The logic around weight "set-points" seems plausible. Has anyone ever had any luck with the Shangri La Diet?

I lost maybe 20 pounds on the diet, but I wasn't religious about following it. I only did it on workdays because it was hard to carry the oil with me, so I just kept the bottle at work.

It did however make me not hungry at all, I would barely eat throughout the day.

It caused social problems though, because at night I still wouldn't be hungry, so I would just sit there at dinner while the family ate, and they would constantly be asking if I was ok.

I stopped losing weight when I hit the set point, and stopped the diet a while after that. Eventually I gained the weight back.

Interestingly, a few years later I started exercising regularly as a way to loose weight, and now I'm once again stuck at the same set point, which is about 15 pounds more than I'd like to be. Still trying to figure out how to lower that set point.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by sethfan »

maj0rhn wrote: post #80
sethfan wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, I got an idea. Instead of engaging in virtually baseless speculation and jumping to conclusions, why don't you go fuck yourself? You may be right about what killed him, asshole, but how about you let his body get cold first before you start tut-tutting and wagging your finger?

Dude, I am trying to save lives here. The more people that think his methods were safe, the more people who are going to die. I would even like to save your life, despite your propensity for name-calling. Now is the teachable moment.

You didn't hear me, bro. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Seeing as how, right now, at this moment, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE what killed him, take your "teachable moment" and shove it up your ass.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by Asparagirl »

Forget the part about chugging olive oil, how about that entire sub-category of his blog dedicated to the belief that pre-natal ultrasounds somehow cause autism? Or the hand-waving away the multiple studies that show that GFCF diets have no proven positive effect on autism symptoms? Or using the word "cure" offhand, based on an n=1 self-report of another diet?

nope.gif

I don't even care about the weight loss and cardiac shit, I think I've seen enough here.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by hackaflocka »

Asparagirl wrote: post #84

Forget the part about chugging olive oil, how about that entire sub-category of his blog dedicated to the belief that pre-natal ultrasounds somehow cause autism? Or the hand-waving away the multiple studies that show that GFCF diets have no proven positive effect on autism symptoms? Or using the word "cure" offhand, based on an n=1 self-report of another diet? nope.gif I don't even care about the weight loss and card…

It's common for innovators to be mocked for their unconventional ideas.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by Asparagirl »

hackaflocka wrote: post #85
Asparagirl wrote: post #84

Forget the part about chugging olive oil, how about that entire sub-category of his blog dedicated to the belief that pre-natal ultrasounds somehow cause autism? Or the hand-waving away the multiple studies that show that GFCF diets have no proven positive effect on autism symptoms? Or using the word "cure" offhand, based on an n=1 self-report of another diet? nope.gif I don't even care about the weight loss and card…

It's common for innovators to be mocked for their unconventional ideas.

It's not "innovation" if it's just crap you spew on a blog.

Double-blind peer-reviewed replicable studies or GTFO.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by chadgeidel »

gadders wrote: post #36

Slightly offtopic - The logic around weight "set-points" seems plausible. Has anyone ever had any luck with the Shangri La Diet?

Another anecdote - I tried it for a few weeks in 2007 and didn't have any of the suggested results. No appetite loss, and no weight loss.

Tried both oil and sugar water.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by ellyagg »

maj0rhn wrote: post #66

Collapsed while hiking. That is a cardiovascular death until proven otherwise. In a guy who ate a half a stick of butter every day ... quelle surprise. Listen to a cardiologist trying to talk Seth out of his course, at around 11 minutes in this 2008 video: http://vimeo.com/14281896

Dr. Mel Siff was a famous scholar in sport science. He hosted a mailing list for a decade that everyone in the field subscribed to. He wrote a comprehensive text on the subject of sport science, Supertraining:

http://www.amazon.com/Supertraining-Paperback-Yuri-Verkhosha...

A fitness buff throughout his life, so never straying far from a conventionally healthy diet in the first place, he famously doubled down on conventional wisdom and went on a low fat, vegetarian diet after suffering a heart attack at a young age. He did everything right, according to establishment wisdom. After a few years, at only 58, he died from a heart attack or stroke. Those of us who are skeptical of the diet-heart hypothesis were not surprised.

The point is, it's very easy to support a side with your favorite anecdote.

After decades of motivated science, the support for the diet-heart hypothesis is poor. Stephan Guyenet, a Ph.D. neurobiologist who studies obesity for a living, has a blog where he examines the evidence in detail. Here's a sample:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/07/diet-heart-hyp...

If you disagree, I'm sure Stephan would welcome you opening a dialogue with him in the comments on his blog. I'd be interested in that.

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by atom-morgan »

hackaflocka wrote: post #53
ElmerPaldritch wrote: post #34

Seth Roberts wasn't a hacker, but he was friends with Aaron Swartz: http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/07/22/google-yes-wikipedia-... Swartz also wrote about Roberts' Shangri-La Diet on his blog, claiming that through it "losing weight has to be one of the easiest things I’ve ever done": http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/losingweight

So that's at least N=2, the number of people on the Shangri La diet who have died prematurely. I think Seth Roberts was the very definition of a hacker. Not computer hacker. Hacker. I started the diet about 5 weeks ago. The oil drinking helped to make my cravings tolerable. I quit after 2 weeks because I didn't seem to need the oil any more. My cravings have been under control since without the oil. (I've lost about…

> So that's at least N=2, the number of people on the Shangri La diet who have died prematurely.

I won't say that diet can't lead to suicide but...it was suicide for Swartz, right?

Re: Seth Roberts has died

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Post by hackaflocka »

Asparagirl wrote: post #86
hackaflocka wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common for innovators to be mocked for their unconventional ideas.

It's not "innovation" if it's just crap you spew on a blog. Double-blind peer-reviewed replicable studies or GTFO.

Yep, those double blind peer-reviewed studies sure worked out for the Wright Brothers.
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