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Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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I always thought that using the safe browsing feature is asking for trouble so it is disabled in all my browsers. So my browser doesn't need to make an extra request to Mozilla/Google/etc every time I load a new website and the web is not censored if there is a technical issue

Performance side effects should be negligible, but there are some privacy concerns (your browser is asking Google for each page it visits if it is ok - thus telling G where you surf).

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Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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We explored trying to email whois contacts or standard addresses (such as webmaster@example.com or postmaster@example.com) and essentially got zero pickup. That's one of the reasons we provide Webmaster Tools, and so far it's our best channel to notify small business owners. We can sometimes label sites as hacked in the search results, but Webmaster Tools is definitely the preferred channel for communication of stuff…

Thanks for the clarification, Matt. Does such an action from google also include penalizing the website in terms of page rank and search rankings?

Yes, but it varies, because we have automatic malware detection, automatic hacked site detection, and manual hacked site detection.

For example, if we manually detect that a subdirectory of a site is hacked, we may remove only that subdirectory from our search results. If your entire site is hacked, then your entire site may be demoted or removed until the site is clean.

Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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We explored trying to email whois contacts or standard addresses (such as webmaster@example.com or postmaster@example.com) and essentially got zero pickup. That's one of the reasons we provide Webmaster Tools, and so far it's our best channel to notify small business owners. We can sometimes label sites as hacked in the search results, but Webmaster Tools is definitely the preferred channel for communication of stuff…

"We explored trying to email whois contacts or standard addresses" Ironic since the original reason for the tech contact was exactly to be notified for issues like this. Would like to add that as a registrar though we get a reasonably good response to emails that we send. [1] Perhaps there is something about getting an email from google that says "it's probably spam". Or any large well known company that is often the…

Man, we could talk about this for hours. There's a lot of nuances involved in trying to alert site owners to issues, especially at a large scale. We've tried about 6-7 approaches over the years, and I'm still not completely happy with where we are. Freehosts are especially tough (WordPress, Blogger, etc.) because whois would just never work there.

Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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While some of the vectors you've mentioned could potentially be exploitable, blaming a "very unsafe programming language," isn't really a good explanation. These issues could occur in any program and any programming language -- it's not a problem specific to C languages.

Most(?) browser vulnerabilities are caused by errors in C++ code which would not be exploitable in memory safe languages. One of the goals of Mozilla's Servo is to write a browser that's memory safe without compromising performance.

I think Servo's "safety" is ultimately due to the fact that it's built on Rust. Rust, however, seems to be ultimately built on C, unless I'm mistaken (having a hard time telling by briefly glancing through their Github, but it looks that way).

My point was that it's not a C specific problem, though. Most browsers are in fact built on C, I agree. This is due primarily to the speed and performance of the language that is harder to reach with other languages.

It is definitely a more difficult language to write, as it is much more "raw," but that doesn't make it inherently unsafe to use, or any more unsafe than other languages.

Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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Exploiting programming errors in the browser is one way. Because browsers are written in very unsafe programming languages (C++), bugs are regularly exploitable so that by specially crafting the bug-triggering input data they can be fooled to scribble content-controlled data inside the browser's memory space. For example, a memory handling bug might let the page overwrite some of the browser's code with data coming f…

While some of the vectors you've mentioned could potentially be exploitable, blaming a "very unsafe programming language," isn't really a good explanation. These issues could occur in any program and any programming language -- it's not a problem specific to C languages.

No, they couldn't occur in "any programming language". In fact there aren't other memory unsafe languages in wide use than C/C++.

And it's not a "potentially" thing, as is apparent to anyone following news about browser vulnerabilities. For a recent public performance, see pwn2own - http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/03/14/pwn2own-day-two-c...

Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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> First, it's already been unblocked. It's still blocked for me, with Google branding wired.com as "a known malware distributor."

Well that's technically a correct statement. Try: chrome://net-internals/#dns Click "Clear host cache"

Actually the issue was that I was using Google's DNS. When I disabled that, it worked just fine. But thanks for showing me the Chrome trick.

As to the technically correct statement, don't you think that saying a site is a "known malware distributor" is a bit more sweeping than saying something more accurate like "we discovered malware on this site"?

In other words, they are using the same language I would expect to see directed towards sites that have malicious intent and should never be visited.

Re: Chrome is blocking wired.com

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I can't believe on HN of all places people are using Chrome its malware-detecting-capabilities. Friendly reminder that EVERY REQUEST you make with it enabled, will be passed through Google its filters. You should turn all Google networking activities in your browser off. By default, there are at least five or so enabled which will happily send every request you make to Google. Some services even go as far as logging…

pearjuice, this simply isn't true. The way that Chrome does this is periodically downloads a file from Google. The file consists of hashes of known-dangerous web pages. When you visit a new URL, the URL is hashed locally and checked against the client-side list of hashes of known-bad pages. If there's no match, Chrome proceeds normally. Only if there is a hash collision does Chrome do more checking to see if the URL…

It still holds regarding all the other Google activities in Chrome.
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