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Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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This is meant do to one thing -- let the founders retain control while allowing for large stock acquisitions. It's possible Google was muscled out of the Whatsapp deal simply because they couldn't pony up the money. $20B is almost half of their cash on hand. Note that the Nest and Waze acquisitions (small in comparison) were paid for almost entirely in cash.

Did FB pay $19B for Whatsapp in order to prevent Google from acquiring their userbase? That is, FB got into a bidding war with Google over Whatsapp?

It could certainly be a large factor in the massive price.

$19B is a whole lot of money, even (especially?) for a company the size of WhatsApp

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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post #81

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Did FB pay $19B for Whatsapp in order to prevent Google from acquiring their userbase? That is, FB got into a bidding war with Google over Whatsapp?

It could certainly be a large factor in the massive price. $19B is a whole lot of money, even (especially?) for a company the size of WhatsApp

Interestingly the size of WhatsApp (the team and the required hardware) compared to its userbase might actually be one of the reasons why the price went so high.

In other words, - they had a very good engineer to end user ratio.

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

#83

This is meant do to one thing -- let the founders retain control while allowing for large stock acquisitions. It's possible Google was muscled out of the Whatsapp deal simply because they couldn't pony up the money. $20B is almost half of their cash on hand. Note that the Nest and Waze acquisitions (small in comparison) were paid for almost entirely in cash.

Why would Google be required to pay cash when Facebook wasn't?

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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Does this imply that GOOG and GOOGL shares will have prices that will move independently going forward? This should be interesting to watch.

Yes, and Google has committed to pay an extra dividend if the prices diverge too much, because laws.

I can't find details on this... do you have a link? (I'm wondering what conditions would trigger this 'extra dividend', and when.)

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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post #81

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It could certainly be a large factor in the massive price. $19B is a whole lot of money, even (especially?) for a company the size of WhatsApp

Interestingly the size of WhatsApp (the team and the required hardware) compared to its userbase might actually be one of the reasons why the price went so high. In other words, - they had a very good engineer to end user ratio.

I don't think so. They'd obviously built a stable platform, but it's not anything that Facebook couldn't have recreated with far less investment.

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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post #83

This is meant do to one thing -- let the founders retain control while allowing for large stock acquisitions. It's possible Google was muscled out of the Whatsapp deal simply because they couldn't pony up the money. $20B is almost half of their cash on hand. Note that the Nest and Waze acquisitions (small in comparison) were paid for almost entirely in cash.

Why would Google be required to pay cash when Facebook wasn't?

That's the point of this change - Google weren't required to pay cash, but given their limited ability to offer stock deals without dilution of the founders' voting rights, it was probably not possible to offer stock.

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

#87

This is meant do to one thing -- let the founders retain control while allowing for large stock acquisitions. It's possible Google was muscled out of the Whatsapp deal simply because they couldn't pony up the money. $20B is almost half of their cash on hand. Note that the Nest and Waze acquisitions (small in comparison) were paid for almost entirely in cash.

Muscled?

I mean... not to rain on anyone's parade.

Perhaps someone just came to their senses?

19 billion dollars, for a messenger app, is more than just a little bit ridiculous.

It's the kind of ridiculous that will be a runner-up in wikipedia for most idiotic business move ever.

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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> "Ownership" without control gives you precisely nothing This statement implies non-voting stock is worthless. That is untrue. There are people willing to pay good money for nonvoting stock. Imagine a dual-class share company. Class B shares cannot vote. Class A shares can vote - they own 100% of the vote share. But both classes are pari passu in economic terms - if Class A gets a $1 dividend Class B must receive th…

Thank you, that was very clear. > if Class A gets a $1 dividend Class B must receive the same. Does this mean that companies cannot split into voting and non-voting stock without paying out a dividend?

You'd think so, but in practice it's the other way around. The decision to pay a dividend is effectively made by the voting shareholders, and the voting shareholders see paying a dividend as giving money away to the non-voting shareholders.

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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Interestingly the size of WhatsApp (the team and the required hardware) compared to its userbase might actually be one of the reasons why the price went so high. In other words, - they had a very good engineer to end user ratio.

I don't think so. They'd obviously built a stable platform, but it's not anything that Facebook couldn't have recreated with far less investment.

Then they probably spent so much to acquire the user base.

Re: Google splits into GOOG and GOOGL today

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Well I wouldn't say they have only a single line of business. Yes, they make pretty much all of their profits from advertising. However they no longer just do searches. They do email, file hosting etc. You name it and they probably do it. They do make money from ways other than advertising too. They have quite a few pay to use services. Like business emails or Google Drive.

and yet none of them make money except search advertising. it's almost all of their revenue on a percentage basis. edit: i do believe they make a bit of money with youtube now, but it is still advertising. they haven't successfully SOLD anything to date.

Google is a media company, like TV or publishing.

It's not like deriving income from advertising is a strange way to do business.

At least Google is a bit more diverse with how they spend their money.

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